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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because big tent politics and capitulating to centrist/right-wing Democrats has worked out so well for us.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

In a two party system, a small tent is no tent. We can move the Democrats left. It’s happening now, in a big way, on the Israel issue.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 months ago

You know how you move them left? By picking horrific policies like this, criticizing them heavily, and then getting rid of the politicians who support them. That's how you move left. It's not a magical thing you do. It's this right here.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

That’s fine for the primaries

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 months ago

You're not going to believe this, but guess what's happening right now?

Though I'm going to push back on that a little bit actually. It's important you keep doing it the rest of the time too. Pressure has to be constant if you want to move a party. You don't do it by sitting on your ass for all but two months of the year. The only way you can consistently steer a political party is by consistent pressure. So we need to never stop. Cuz guess who doesn't stop, guess who doesn't follow your advice, the neoliberals and their billionaire backers.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

You say, already complaining about people criticising the democrats before the primaries have even started.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago

To the Democratic party, big tent politics means right-wing politics, and if you don't know that by now, I'm not sure what to tell you.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah we probably disagree on what right wing means. I hope you’re not throwing your vote away every year, because that is not helpful and we need help right now!

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Vote blue no matter who?

I'm old enough to have seen that tried many times now, and look where we're at.

I think it's time for something different, and we can start by not championing centrists, or attacking/shaming people on the left who do criticize them.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

similarly, when it comes down to general elections i hope we can recognize value of harm reduction versus purity contests

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

We didn’t try it in 2024. How do you rate the results of that one?

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

What are you talking about?

The Democrats ran the centrist (again), and vote blue no matter who was the mantra everywhere I looked.

The voters that didn't fail Kamala.

The voters didn't fail the Democratic party.

Kamla and the Democratic party failed the voters.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

We should have had a primary. I’ll never forgive Biden for that.

I also don’t forgive people who knew better and still didn’t vote for the only viable alternative to Trump.

We have to put together a winning coalition to get these monsters out of power, but that coalition isn’t going to line perfectly with your or my politics. If it did, it would alienate a lot of people to our right, which is probably at least 90% of the country in both our cases. Somebody has to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

I don't care if your genocidal psychopathic ass doesn't forgive me; you're pure evil. You being mad at us means we're doing something right. Make note how you don't have any antipathy for the people to your right (as if it's possible to be to the right of active genocide).

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago
[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

You said you wanted a bigger tent, correct? Then you need to win the vote of somebody you blame for Trump.

We already know who you're going to pick.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

No, we all have to come cram into your small tent, right?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

if it's small then we can't blame them for Trump

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Too small to win, too big to not matter

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Since it matters so much they really should dominate the platform, like the far right does for Republicans.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

You've been shrieking this for a decade now, it's not compelling. If you need my vote, stop being a genocidal monster.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago
[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Best I can do is offer you a choice between a candidate who's a devout Zionist, but a Democrat, and a candidate who's actually anti-semitic, but is being blackmailed by Israel, so their policies are even more Zionist.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago

We can move the Democrats left.

Are you seriously bringing back this bullshit slogan from half a decade ago? I swear to god, BlueMAGA dems have literally convinced themselves that it's 2020 and the Biden administration didn't happen. What else can you do, I suppose? It categorically demonstrated that the "we can move them left!" Was bullshit.

It’s happening now

Oh, it's happening now is it? Not during the year and a half of open genocide that the Democratic party oversaw? Just now, when they're out of power? And in a "big way" huh? And yet not a single person within the party who participated in Isreals genocide has faced any consequence. Not even a slap on the wrist, let alone the trial and execution these monsters deserve.

This a farce at this point. Charlie Brown could tell you to stop trying to kick that football.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Do you even pay attention to the podcasts you brainwash yourself with? Chapo Trap House has said multiple times recently that Democrats are finally getting the message that their base has shifted massively against Israel.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah they are getting the fact that their base has shifted so they are just trying harder to get more right wing voters and be the "other" choice.

Just cause they see it doesnt mean they care to change in the way you want. This is the Epstein class after all.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

"The Democrats have changed! A podcast I don't like said so!"

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

We can move the Democrats left.

Not while continuing to capitulate to the right.

this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2026
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