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UK Labour are too Tory for me.
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Can you vote tactically for Lib Dem or Greens without risking more votes going to the Tories?
Fuck the Lib Dems, even tactically.
Mate, we're under a first past the post system, tactical voting matters to get the most damaging political force, i.e. the Tories, out of power and by a significant majority.
Anything remotely left of the Tories is better, even if it is Centre Centre Centre calling itself Left Labour.
At this point lib Dems are probably left of labour with their policies, given labours recent downturn
No, this is just untrue.
They are a centre-right party. They effectively represent Tories who didn't want Brexit. They may talk a big game and make big promises, such as UBI. But they also made promises when they went into coalition with the Conservative party, and once in power they fell in line.
UBI isn't even necessarily a leftist policy. Apparently Richard Nixon even considered it!
It's not inherently leftist but it is a big promise.
Not unlike tuition fees.
I mean I believed that and voted for Clegg and then he turned out to be a toffee tory
Just incredible that the Lib Dems are still trying this argument.
Apart from the reality of their platforms, Ed Davey was literally a cabinet member in a Tory government and was knighted for this service by a Tory Prime Minister.
Well the fact that when the Tories got a majority of their own they reversed most of what he did in office should be in an indication that he's not actually one of them.
So his record is five years of voting for every Tory policy and zero long term achievements?
Right, so it should be alarming that labour has worse policies than that, right?
IDK what metric you're using for 'worse'. Sure would be alarming if they did, but they don't.
You students tried that in 2015 and got Megagiga Tory and in 2016 we left the EU. In 2017 and 2019 when the Lib Dems campaigned to stop Brexit and rejoin it was "they took rrrrr students loans!". 🙄
So yes, fuck them. Oh and whilst we're at it let's also hand power to two parties that will keep us out of the EU because they are scared of their voter base. Good job 👍.
I'm not a student, but let me ask you this as a supposed predecessor, why didn't you ensure younger generations didn't have to worry about politicians lying without consequence?
Oh and don't forget the Lib Dems are partially responsible for this mess. It may surprise you but I'm old enough to remember that. They're an untrustworthy party and no one owes them a vote because some person on the Internet wants to whitewash their recent history and guilt trip us into supporting them.
Trust and good will for the Lib Dems was destroyed in 2010, when they jumped into a coalition government with the Tories for the tiniest sniff of power, despite their manifesto being closer to Labour’s on paper, backtracking on many of their policies and outright failing on others.
https://theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/how-much-of-the-liberal-democrats-2010-election-manifesto-was-implemented
Tactically speaking, you can vote for the party you want to win only if you are absolutely certain that a) the tories have such a strong majority there isn’t a chance of anyone else getting in; b) some other party has such a majority there isn’t a chance of the Tories getting in. Otherwise you vote for the non-Tory party (or party that will not ally with the Tories) that is most likely to make it in your area.
I still vote tactically because there have historically been some close results where I live, but I’m sick of voting for parties I don’t want to win. I decided to become a member of the political party that I felt I was in most in line with, despite the fact I rarely vote for them. Small gesture, I know.
@ThePyroPython My email has struck a chord and I've had a response today. My local Labour parliamentary candidate wants to chat with me. I'll see what they have to say and report back.
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Under FPTP, not in my area, however...
https://med-mastodon.com/@XraySonoCol/110876506587951106