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How ICE Already Knows Who Minneapolis Protesters Are
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If you think that any nation-state with the money to implement this shit isn't doing it already, I have a bridge to sell you.
Surveillance is a matter of power and maintaining it, far more than any ideological thing. There are already people being caught by this sort of shit in the UK and Europe as well.
Those are fascist states too. You can't make use of this kind of technology and still claim to be the good guys. Fascisms not a left or right thing, both sides of the aisle can slide into that kind of behavior.
Fascism is in fact a right wing system
I did some reading, it seems I had a misunderstanding of some of the finer details. Perhaps authoritarian or totalitarianism are better terms? I'm not sure, but regardless, I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism couldn't be employed by the political left, which I guess is the point I was originally getting at.
If the left employed fascist tactics then they stop being the left.
So communist governments that have used media control, militarism, cronyism, violated human rights, etc., aren't left-wing?
No, they're state capitalist.
So communist governments have never existed?
Leftism overtly opposes the tools of fascism: sexism, racism, imperialism, nationalism, etc.
Maybe you should more reading before posting about this topic.
Except left-wing nationalism is a thing that exists. And those aren't the only tools of fascism. Fascists are known to control mass media, but thats not inherently a right wing thing. Corruption and cronyism aren't mutually exclusive to the right. Military supremacy isn't inherently right wing. What am I missing here?
No, it's in principle undetermined in ideology. Historical ones, even Stalin or Pol Pot variants, were rather right wing. But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.
EDIT: What I mean is that fascism is that "third way", not left-wing or right-wing. And has made situational alliances with things from both. That was its main difference from old conservatives in the beginning of XX century.
Oh, the historical fascisms such as under Stalin and Pol Pot, right.
Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.
You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?
Please stop using the internet.
How to detect a commie idiot without them naming themselves.
I'm actually using Eco's version, and he's notably leftist.
Smart thoughts were chasing you, but you were always faster.
I would have been more impressed, if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead of personal attacks.
Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.
Thank you for your opinion, but for classifying Stalin and Pol Pot as fascist, at the very least. If you have actually read that definition.
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, I don't even know, "idiot" doesn't seem a personal attack in such a situation. Commies are the only kind of people claiming that fascism has any economic alignments, as far as I have seen.
No, you're not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism#Overview
Eco's version assumes Stalin's regime is one of primary fascist regimes in the first place. I dunno about that overview, in the original text it's clear from the beginning. Either you haven't read it or you are trying to cheat.
Stop making stuff up, it's time to bring the receipts. Where exactly does "Eco's version assumes Stalin's regime is one of primary fascist regimes in the first place"?
Eco treated Stalinism as a seperate, parallel example of totalitarianism, explicitedly not labeling it fascist.
You gotta leave your confused reactionary, red fascism narrative and anti-communism stance behind, if you actually want to understand the world. Maybe start by not being so dishonest.
Some passages from Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism:
He's providing a list of fascist regimes in that essay, with Stalin's included. Stop lying.
And read the quotes you've already provided, they are good.
Only that he doesn‘t. And I don‘t.
Your pattern: Make stuff up > act all incensed for being confronted with your bullshit > use personal attacks and accusations of lying > make stuff up again.
Either you now provide the sourcing and the quotes of what you keep yapping about or I‘ll consider you a bot, because you‘re acting like one.
Bring the receipts.
Bruh do some basic research... Here's a 101:
14 characteristics of fascism
It's 100% right wing. Even so-called leftists who went fascist are no longer leftists.
Non-leftist doesn't equal right-wing. Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.
Fascism requires no logical structure and no coherence in ideology. It requires the ideology to be bendable all ways each moment for each different situation. Which, well, is natural for an ideology reliant upon violence and emotion above all.
That leftists try to mix fascism and normal conservatism is a purely leftist sexual problem, that doesn't concern others until leftists pretend it's commonly accepted.
Then, of course, when most of the "revolutionary" competition is leftist, fascism becomes anti-leftist and allies right-wing forces.
But also Nazi and Soviet propaganda on the British Empire were amazingly similar in archetypes and emotion. Which would be a rare case of "fascism against right-wing forces".
Only in terms of talking the talk. In practice, ancaps who get power quickly go full fasc.
Haven't heard of any ancaps who got the power.
No it's not entirely clearly defined. But a few elements appear in all of them: Anti- communism/socialism, dictator, far-right idiologies, nationalism...
I wouldn't say any if these are desired by leftism, or rather opposites.
Yes and "both sides of the aisle" are fascist.
Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
Authoritarianism applies to both sides, and the middle. Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology.
Both sides of the state's aisle are right-wing.
The Fascist ideology is an ultranationalist one which the USA is now under Trump and the rest of Europe is at risk to become one too
Most of the fascist characteristics are already there is the USA https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf