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[-] EldritchFeminity 82 points 3 months ago

"But why don't Americans protest? All they do is sit back and take it up the ass!" I hear every European crying as they ignore this right alongside all the other protests.

[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 31 points 3 months ago

TBF, news outlets have been utterly ignoring þe country-wide protests which have been consistently happening practically since Trump took office. Almost none of þe enormous 50502 protests have been covered. If we're not seeing it on American media, even fewer international people are going to see it.

[-] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 3 months ago

Sadly, I have seen news coverage, but it seems reliably right-wing and describes the events as things like "a mob" or "instigators" and other charged language.

Covering the story is one thing, but who does it and how they spin it can really change the perception.

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[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I love how it's a bajillion degrees below zero and they are all outside protesting, flipping shit. Yeah, Americans don't do anything. Fuck y'all that say it.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 27 points 3 months ago

Sorry if we'd like some firmer response to your country attacking our economy and threatening invasion

[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

I get it. But also we are occupied by ice right now. We are spending a majority of our time resisting at the community level. Helping our neighbors from being abducted, monitoring ice, protesting.

Apologies that it's not meeting your standards.

[-] tibsta@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

He’s attacking our economy too. I know we could be protesting harder, but we’re also trying to survive.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 15 points 3 months ago

If you hurt yourself and hurt a friend, your friend may understand the first few times it happens, but after a while the "I'm hurting myself too!" excuse may not be enough for them to remain your friend.

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[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

Isn't that even more reason though?

[-] EldritchFeminity 4 points 3 months ago

Sorry if I'd like ANY response to the attacks on trans people across Europe, the UK, Canada, and plenty of other places.

I want people out there like the Black Panthers, too. I want Europe to divest themselves from the American military industrial complex. I want to watch American companies who support and enable these fascists see their profits shrivel up as the economy collapses. I want to watch Google and Facebook and Twitter burn.

But all I hear from Europeans on here is how all Americans are fascists for not being in open war with the regime while fascism tightens its grip on your own right-wing parties, and I'm sick of it. If you're not proactive, you'll be in the same boat as us. Italy had fascist gangs attacking people in the streets a few years back. We used to say "it could never happen here" when reading about Nazi Germany and wondering just how they could let it happen. And then it did happen here. Now you're the ones saying it.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 11 points 3 months ago

Sorry if I’d like ANY response to the attacks on trans people across Europe, the UK, Canada, and plenty of other places.

Italy's current governing party is declaredly fascist. It still hasn't done anything as bad as the US government had been doing before Trump, never mind after. Nonetheless, there's been multiple general strikes during their mandate, protests, and so on. Our ports were blocked in protest of the Gaza war, something we have WAY less influence on than you guys do, and those protests in my city drew the biggest crowd I'd ever seen at such an event.

Are we perfect? No. Should we do more? Yes. But please don't put us on the same level. All I hear from Americans is "oh no, I'll lose my job and starve on the street", but I live in a country where the average salary is half that of the US, with electricity two times as expensive and fuel almost three times as expensive compared to the US, so well, sorry if I don't fully empathise.

If you’re not proactive, you’ll be in the same boat as us. Italy had fascist gangs attacking people in the streets a few years back.

Italy INVENTED fascism, we've been fighting it for a century, it was born out of opposition to communism, and it wasn't eradicated at the end of WWII because our new overlords, the US, were just as afraid of communism as our previous ones, so yeah, we know, we're working on it, we've been for a long time.

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[-] teolan@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Because just standing outside is not how a protest achieves anything. True protests must be disruptive and last. The Yellow jackets burned down the avenue des champs Elysées every Saturday for multiple months. The protests following Nahel's murder (very similar to that of Renee good in some aspects) burned down multiple police stations.

Standing protests like this a regular occurrence in France, but those are not the ones you hear about. Their only role is so build momentum and make people feel united.

Real change happens only through either much stronger protests or through actions like the whistles and following ice around making them feel unwelcome 24/7.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 6 points 3 months ago

Seeing this many people out in weather that I frankly can't comprehend sends a strong signal that disapproval of ICE is a normal, acceptable position. Humans are social creatures and I think these protests are massively influential at the polling booth - one of the few places that substantial change can be made.
Not that there is anything wrong with the whistles etc.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

How would this convince anybody to go vote? Every one that sees this in a good light is already voting against Trump...

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[-] beSyl@slrpnk.net 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You seem to be hating on Europeans. I would practice some self enquiry.

Being this soft to literal fascism and fascists is not a good look. They are literally kidnapping children. Killing people. Blinding people. They are waging wars. Calling them literal nazis is appropriate. They are removing your healthcare or making it prohibitively expensive. They are stealing from you. Not only your health but also your money. Pump and dump schemes, etc. Last, but definitely not least, they are protecting each other. Each one of them is evil beyond comprehension and they are all playing together, protecting eachother. Your president is a pedophile. He is not only part but also probably one of the main people, of a ring of pedophiles.

Your hate towards Europeans is misplaced. All we want is justice and a good society.

[-] EldritchFeminity 7 points 3 months ago

I am hating on Europeans. Because Europeans have been hating on me and mine for almost a year now, regardless of what people do here.

Fascist gangs were roaming the streets of Italy a few years ago. Your fascist parties have been waging war against trans people like me for over a decade. Where is your resistance to them? Your solidarity with the weakest amongst you?

European hate is misplaced. All we want is justice and a good society, but we have to fight against 70 years of work to destroy our ability to fight as well as the ignorant and hateful minority of the populace who support these fuckers, and they're the ones the most willing to commit acts of terrorism. The people protesting are the average person who balks at the thought of fist-fighting in the street.

[-] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It might have something to do with the US bombing and bullying other countries for decades.

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, on the flipside Americans (edit: and russian trolls especially)constantly mock European politicians with the "they're gonna send a strongly worded letter" which is the single most retarded thing I have heard and keep hearing from that camp. Personally, I have respect for the Americans who go protest, while I have a lot less respect for the politicians in America who do have the power to push back against trump, yet all they seem to do is nothing while blaming Europe for trump acting like a toddler. Meanwhile we here in Europe do what every adult with self respect does to a screaming child at the store - we tell them no. Calmly and without escalation. If we start behaving like trump, there is no adults left to help calm things down. In america, however, it seems that every politician is either enabling trump or acting like him: attacking the wrong people because it is easier to slap around your friends than standing up to your true enemy. Gavin Newsom. I see you, bitch.

But yeah, I have respect for the common folk who are protesting in america. I have had respect for the tons of protests they have done since january of last year. It is historical but it kinda drowns in the piles of shit trump poops out daily to keep all of us disoriented and angry at all kinds of different things.

He is destroying America from the inside and he's destroying America's relationship with their allies from the outside. I genuinely feel so fucking bad for you guys, because you and your children and your childrens children will be the ones to pay the ultimate price of trumps second presidency. Whatever allies you'll have left when his time is over will be significantly less than what they used to be and meanwhile your country will be in massive economic trouble which will only get worse once the effect of de-americanization in Europe starts to be felt in your country.

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm confused by this. The only people I've read complaining about the "strongly worded letter" tendencies have been criticising the us democratic party for its dereliction of duty and utterly feckless disregard of their constitutional oaths in the face of this fascist xenocidal administration. Where are you seeing the imprecations against Europe?

EDIT: You know what, I just read the rest of the thread OP's comments, and I rescind my point. They spew enough anti-european angst to fill a couple of comment sections.

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[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It comforts me to know people in entirely different countries also think Gavin Newsom is a little bitch.

Thanks, from California (* not a Republican)

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[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

Yeah well the media is not exactly sponsoring the resistance. We just want to make sure that memes are not the only thing you're doing.

This is really nice to see, keep it up.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

No, this is great, as an European I'm proud of the Minnesotans that protested. I hope that more will follow.

[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

If you think protests are enough to fix this you're dreaming.

[-] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 12 points 3 months ago

They literally didn't say that. Stop making things up to get mad at.

[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not my country. Im just stating a fact.

[-] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 9 points 3 months ago

It's a non sequitur response and rude for no reason. That's the only fact I see here.

[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"But why don't Americans protest? All they do is sit back and take it up the ass!" I hear every European crying as they ignore this right alongside all the other protests.

Direct quote. How is me saying protests wont work a non-sequitor exactly. Please do explain.

[-] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Honestly you just seem like an ass, is my take

[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Solid deflection.

Let me be crystal clear here.

People from around the world from countries who have gone through this exact kind of thing, some of whom have personally experinced them firsthand, are telling you peaceful protests are not enough. This is coming from experience, not idle talk.

And instead of listening, you're getting mad and calling people big meanies.

I dont know if its because Americans are so used to people tiptoing around them or stroking their egos or whatever. But if you dont get your collective heads out of your asses you are going to end up a victim of history and your country will be unrecognizable.

You need to grow up and listen, not lash out when people levy criticism.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To be fair, I think it's a really low number of Europeans doing this. A very loud, but low, minority of idiots.

We know all about minorities of idiots here in the US, so we should see this for what it is.

[-] johncandy1812@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What pressure has this put on Trump's administration to stop? This wasn't a strike because no demands were made for a return to work. Everybody is back to work today. ICE will be back at it again today too.

The protesters were herded into an arena to listen to some campaigning. Then everyone went home.

When's the next demonstration? In four months?

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago

The problem is that protests are to promote awareness. That does nothing, Trump thrives on bad PR as long as it can serve as misdirection for the latest tragedy. The general strike did start to do something. The biggest problem is that the Supreme Court is fully corrupt, the Executive Branch and all federal agencies are now fully corrupt, and congress is the weakest branch of government that works slow and will get hampered by the Supreme Court even if you manage to have fair elections for midterms.

Gavin Newsom is about the only state leader that is doing something effective, and Tim Walz should have been there with him during the World Economic Forum. The fact is, your federal government is corrupt down right to the core and it got this bad when things were way better. The people controlling the media, controlling the social networks that influence people, now have more say and wealth to hinder and twist the barebones democratic elements that the US had, to put dissenters like you into ineffective bubbles while they radicalize, enable, and pardon the vitriol that serves them.

The problem is that keeping you country together prevented slavery, but never defeated the confederates turned "MAGA" neoconfederates that run your federal government today, and a country that was founded and dissolved several times until it became the United States has now been indoctrinated that there are no circumstances where seeking independence is valid, even when the federal government that rules the states isn't following its own constitution. You cannot have a democracy without a shared reality, and you cannot have a shared reality where for some the constitution is a legal foundation for the country and for others it is simply just another bible from which to read excerpts off while ignoring the rest of it.

Europe shouldn't tell you what to do, but why would we ever deal the same way we have before with a country that proven itself to be psychotically bipolar? Do you realize that our governments cannot orbit around yours because we have our own politicians to deal with? That's not the case with a number of states in the US, yet they are forced to now submit to a dictatorship even though they are the economic motors for the country that other states' politicians basically live off of. Anyway, you guys do you, the US as it is now has lost a lot of standing in the world - except with dictatorships, where standing is basically just optics anyway. I understand people are doing what they can, it would (and likely will) be difficult to do the same thing here, there's too much money going into manipulating governments and corruption could not have denied oversight at a worse time.

The core problem is one where billionaires have gone Cambridge Analytica and have destroyed and attacked our share reality - the reason why they are also ardent AI proponents, and they are operating everywhere. Honestly, I don't have a solution, just observations. But understand that from our point of view, was it better to deal with the USSR, or was it better to deal with each of its members like Ukraine and Russia individually?

[-] chaitae3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It was true when I said it and I'm proud of everyone for what they've achieved since then.

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[-] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe replace "protest" with "vote" and one day the assraping might stop

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

What are you gonna do the other 364 days of the year?

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[-] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago

yes, obviously, but what kind of henai? youre not one of those perverts are you?

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

That's not the electorate we have. We need good candidates to beat bad candidates. Second worst isn't good enough to win. Scream at voters all you want and it won't change a thing. We need better candidates.

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