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[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 266 points 3 months ago

Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.

Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!

We are sick and tired of your excuses.

This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 228 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 3 months ago

Native American who’s citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court

You should go back to your home country or something like that. /s

[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What fault of ours is the invasion of your country by other white people from Europe hundreds of years ago? Our ancestors were the ones who stayed in Europe

Edit: a lot of people seemed to have found the downvote button, but no one seems to have found the answer.

Edit #2: still more downvotes, but nobody has answered my question, just some comments about colonialism and my stupidity.

People are entirely missing the point: why should a grudge against some random other white people that have nothing to do with us stop you from rising up against this white person? Why should today’s Europeans “go fuck themselves” because of that? Wake up, stop making excuses and do something about it, go protest in the streets!

[-] inkzombie 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No one is saying it's your fault dumbass we're saying not to blame people being targeted by the fucking Nazis in the USA for this mess. Would you blame the Jewish, Romani, and queer people that got targeted by Nazis for WW2? Think before you comment.

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[-] Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Moreover, it's not a europe problem it's a class problem. It wasn't the builders, gardeners, and plumbers of Europe deciding to subjugate the world. It was the oligarchs. They were squeezing all they could out of Europe and it wasn't enough for them. So they dressed it up as duty to the country/religion to expand, but it was a way of enriching themselves.

Many Scottish crofters were also forced off their land during the sheep clearances when the lairds figured out that removing the population and replacing them with sheep was more profitable. They would either buy up the land and evict the crofters or charge them for fabricated crimes and send them to Australia. The place I grew up has a population of around 10% of what it should be because of this practice (that's after steady growth in the last few decades).

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the settlers from Scotland who joined the Hudson Bay company for example, did so because they couldn't earn enough to survive at home. Both because of taxes from the lairds and low wages.

So yes Europeans moved to America, but for most of them it was a matter of survival, not greed.

[-] bonsai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago

I keep seeing so many people saying to hell with all Americans, no matter who, and I feel like this best counters that sentiment. Those in power would love to see us bicker and fight each other over nationality while they reap in the riches. In reality, we're all on the same side against the oligarchs. We've all been fucked over by the rich.

There is no war but the class war. Stand together and unite.

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[-] Ruxias@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Ah yes I see European solidarity is alive and well. No chance you'll ever have fascism again over there with statements like that. Truly a bastion of the brightest and best ideals of humanity.

/s

[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

^ This is what colonialism looks like, yt people

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[-] nmhforlife@lemmy.world 123 points 3 months ago

As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.

[-] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 121 points 3 months ago

In any war there are soldiers who don't wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.

If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.

Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can't, then form your "well regulated militia" that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT "good honest people". They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.

I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don't. Do what you have to do, and don't feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.

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[-] fennesz12@feddit.dk 97 points 3 months ago

I'm Danish and I refuse to make this about nationality. I've had an immeasurable amount of American friends over the years. I've loved your music, your company, your viewpoints, your stories - and I've had nothing but respect for you. I've been on American social media with you for decades. I've laughed at the same jokes as you. I speak your language, I sing your songs, I share an incredible amount of your culture. We learned to celebrate Halloween from you. We wear your clothes. We are your friends.

This is where you'd expect to see a "but", but there is no "but". I just wanted to say this, because I refuse to be divided by national borders. The America I see now, is not the America I grew up with. And now I'm fucking crying. It feels like losing a good friend, to some sort of neurological illness. We will always share your values. Not MAGA values, but OUR values.

[-] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 38 points 3 months ago

Thank you. Borders are stupid, we are all humans and we only have one floating rock. Also, I love the Danes I've met.

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[-] zd9@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Take that feeling like losing a good friend, and now imagine it's your own mind you're losing. Everything you held close and understood is upside down. It's disorienting, because they (fascist regime) intended it to be disorienting to paralyze any organized effective response.

[-] Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I miss the America I grew up in. 80s were amazing. Like 1996-2010 felt so hopeful, bush years were bad an helped enable alot of what is happening now but I'd gladly take him over what we have now

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[-] SarahValentine 14 points 3 months ago

Your friends are still here, but they're not in charge. Violent, armed bullies have taken over and are driving this country - with the rest of us in it - off a cliff. They aren't just invading Greenland, they're invading us. Our homes, our schools, our workplaces, our courts, all invaded. The authorities we armed and entrusted to uphold the law have seen their opportunity to go mask-off and support fascism. Your friends here are outclassed, outgunned, and oppressed.

Remember that America isn't a monolith. If you were to put a bullet in the head of every US soldier to set foot on Greenland, we will celebrate your victory. Because we care about humanity, and our armed forces have given theirs up to fulfill a hateful dream. They've made their decision and deserve whatever's coming to them.

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[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!

Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago

Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don't take their guns into the streets to stop it.

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.

(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it's changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped--literally or figuratively--to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)

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[-] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 26 points 3 months ago

And now you understand what we Germans feel when Americans ask what our ancestors did during the 1930s and 40s.

[-] ideonek@piefed.social 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Than maybe its time to take some good and caring actions? It's not enought to see it and be bothered by it.

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[-] gigachad@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago

Just wanted to say - no idea what's going on in the comments, don't take it too hard. People are angry. Just as I would not condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I wouldn't condemn every US american. Especially not those in the fediverse - it's likely you suffer as well under your dictator.

[-] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 18 points 3 months ago

It's hard to make that distinction. Even in Germany under the jackboot of National Socialism there were still good people, some even dared to take action while others dragged their feet as much as possible without endangering themselves and their loved ones. This is where the difference between guilt and responsibility arises. In my opinion not all US Americans are guilty, just like not all Germans were, yet all US Americans share a responsibility to rid themselves of their political polarisation and the hatred at its root, just like the good people of Germany managed to do in the decades after the war.

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[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do something about it.

America has the richest and most heavily armed population on earth. No one feels sorry for your inability to control the actions of your own country.

[-] Elbow1240@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 months ago

The people who oppose Trump tend to be the people who don't own guns.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Then go out and get guns. ASAP.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 3 months ago

The fun thing about America is that you can literally just walk to a shop and buy a gun today. The fact that everyone who opposes Trump hasn't done that says a lot about the real situation on the ground there.

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[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago

I understand that there are a lot of Americans who did not vote for him or support his actions. But he's your monster. You need to deal with him.

If you do nothing and stand back while he invades other countries and force them to fight the battles you won't, then you are neither a good nor caring person.

[-] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

You are forcing us to fight your fight. I am not going to waste time trying to determine who is who.

[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ah yes, the tired old "not all men" argument. Nobody cares. If you're not actively part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 months ago

Good caring people that allow bad things to continue to happen are not good people

[-] Elbow1240@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 months ago

What realistic actions do you expect an average American who opposes Trump to take?

[-] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 26 points 3 months ago

They expect us all to commit suicide by cop but don't want to come out and say it. If we haven't died yet, we haven't done enough.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 18 points 3 months ago

I think most genuinely don't understand what it's like living in a country the size of a continent, with hundreds of millions of people scattered all over, with a heavily militarized police force that has been trained to see anyone but themselves as a threat, surrounded by a significant portion of the population that would love the opportunity to murder you without legal consequences and the tools to do so, with your healthcare, shelter, food, and basically everything tied to your employment that could end on a whim, in a system designed to keep you perpetually exhausted so you can't even begin to imagine a world where you are fairly treated, let alone have the energy to fight for it in any meaningful way.

I mean most Europeans live in countries the size of a single state, with relatively high population densities (comparatively speaking). "Americans think 100 years is a long time, Europeans think 100km is a long distance" and all that. I've traveled daily for work what some of my UK friends won't travel to see family on holidays. The US is insanelt large, and any sort of organization is already an uphill battle from that alone. Get into the fact that most people can't take a day off work without risking their livelihoods, and that opposition is armed and begging to be let loose, and protesting alone is hard to do.

Historically, any left-leaning organization that arms themselves gets heavily targeted by the Alphabet Squad (FBI, NSA, BATFE, etc) and individuals get harassed and tossed into prisons for the smallest infractions simply due to association with the leftist group.

Anyone who doesn't look at the history of government opposition in the US when they demand action, all while saying we aren't doing enough because protesting isn't enough, is (hopefully ignorantly) telling you to go kill yourself.

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[-] teuniac_@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.

[-] Yazer@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

Yeah but they aren't. Once a quarter getting together to wave signs isn't protesting. They aren't resisting. Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.

Permits to hold a rally with signs isn't it.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Yeah but they aren’t.

That's some confidently incorrect shit right there.

How the fuck do you know what's happening or not happening when media refuses to cover it, or worse, does cover it but downplays it in such a way that thousands of people showing up turns into "some protesting occurred today in downtown Minneapolis."

Actual resistance is what got the National Guard ordered out of LA, Portland, and Chicago, and why ICE is increasingly departing Minneapolis proper for places further out in more rural Minnesota. But you don't know that, because you're sopping up headlines and nothing else, if that much.

Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.

At this point, all I have to do is look past you and at my neighbors and fellow citizens: we know what we're up against in ways that are clearly over your own head, and we're showing up. We don't need your discouragement and ignorance but if that's all you have, that's all you have.

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[-] athatet@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago

Yes we are. The news just doesn’t report on it.

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[-] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

And all the other fascist countries that don't fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.

[-] user_name@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.

I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.

Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 3 months ago

We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don't agree but then when called on it don't do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn't just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It's absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that's more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there's blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don't put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.

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[-] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

You aren't new to this, hitler got most of his ideas from americans.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Europe has been a vassal state of the US for years. It was clear that America has been spiraling towards fascism, and European leadership did not admit it, even if they recognized it. Europe should have developed their militarizes and not relied on the US military for decades for their protection.

What the US is doing is wrong, and Europe should have seen this was possible, and took actions to prevent it from being possible. Instead of focusing all of your anger towards Americans, reserve some anger for the leadership that has failed you, and allowed this to happen.

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[-] ruekk@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Most revolutions only succeed when they have backing from third-party countries. Maybe learn some history before making dumbass, unhelpful remarks 🙄

[-] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm struggling right now to think of any group of people with less excuse for ignorance of how radical fascists wield propaganda and extort for political power than central Europeans.

EDIT: I don't mean that to be super harsh, and I hope it's core to the educational curriculum (as it should be in the US too). But maybe I'm wrong.

When you visit your nearest holocaust museum or memorial and refresh your understanding of all that suffering and anguish, how do you feel? Who do you blame? What do you think could stop it from escalating again? Genuinely interested in answers.

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