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When will it be enough that people actively start opening fire on ICE the second they pull out to their street? This is getting ridiculous. Not even white women are safe.
The problem is that's when he "gets" to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.
So far, judges have denied him access to military even though he keeps screaming about terrorists and buildings burning, when really there are people in frog costumes and people with whistles.
Hitler took control of German government and military the second a building caught fire. This is likely what he's trying to make happen.
Elections happen this year that could generate some congressional power challenges against his orders with more urgency. How much hope do I have that elections even happen? Will several red states change last minute election rules and post office cancel ballot deliveries or straight up replace federal electors again? Will he make up a fake excuse to end elections or arrest opponents? Who knows. Once he steals power instead of having it with legitimacy is when gloves have to come off. In the meantime it has to stay peaceful. We dug this hole ourselves at this point.
At some point you have to say enough is enough instead of coming out with this stupid ass excuse.
"we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” - Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts
I don't think people calling for restraint understand what we're up against.
It's pretty stunning how they talk like terrorists and abusers and people just go with it.
But I guess I know from experience that conservative culture has a lot of "shut up and deal with it" conditioning. And not like "practicing stoicism is good for you" dealing with it. It's more like "know your place, respect your betters, and shut your mouth."
It's the "might makes right" approach.
Most of us get educated about why that's bad in pre-school. Nobody likes a bully and often bullying is ended with a swift punch in the face from the victim. People like Stephen Miller just haven't got theirs yet.
Trump can declare war without even telling congress about it. What makes you think he needs something real in order to "declare martial law"? At what point are you going to decide that NOT FIGHTING BACK is actually helping these people trample you?
As mentioned by others in this thread, the courts has repeatedly taken away his access to national guard because he is failing to show evidence of a domestic threat
He's already stolen power. He's admitted multiple times that they rigged the election.
*Martial Law
*Martial Law
"Marshall [Plan]" is his bullshit excuse for attacking Venezuela.
Trump is going to declare Marshall Law anyway. Fighting back will only accelerate it. Regardless, Marshall Law isn't a real thing in the United States. Although that won't stop the president in the high castle.
He is allowed to take over state militaries in emergency situations. I also agree that I think he's going to make up an excuse and do it anyway at some point before elections.
A lot of what he is getting away with is stuff that Congress could block. It's their appropriate money he's using, but they're all his tools right now so they don't fight back and just let him do it.
As opposed to?
Courts keep denying him access
He's gonna do that anyway come midterms, no?
Yeah probably
Practically speaking, how is that any different from now?
Do you really think this is as bad as it can get?
Of course not. I'm asking what declaring Martial Law would change.
Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach.
Currently we just have ICE, national guard, and police assaulting us, but under martial law there will be things like tanks and drone bombs.
You believe the only thing stopping that is Trump saying "I declare Martial Law"?
He also can't just kidnap a foreign leader without notifying congress -- except he actually just can.
The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts. Martial law is an endrun around the courts.
Yes, he is breaking laws, but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does. We unfortunately have a long history of extrajudicial foreign action that the courts just don't care about, but that's not the same as deploying military to one's own country.
Stopping him how?
Like when? And what good is telling him to stop after he's already done the thing? What's to stop him from just defying it again?
I'm referring to things like this:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/31/donald-trump-national-guard-deployment-00708714
You may think it's ineffective, but it's why we're not staring down the barrel of a tank right now.
Let me know if I'm summarizing this fairly:
Your concern with people open-carrying at ICE protests is that it risks creating a situation where Trump can declare Martial Law. If that happens, he could use bombs against civilians, with no way for the courts to tell him to stop.
You agree that there is nothing stopping him from using tanks and bombs on civilians right now, but if he does, the courts will tell him to stop at some point in the future. And he probably would, but then he would come back later, probably with more weaponry.
Now that's a whole lot of stuff I didn't say. You wanted to know how Martial Law would be different than what we've got now, and I gave you the answer.
I can quote everything I included in that summary if you give me examples of things you think you didn't say.
You assume I'm against open carry, for one.
I also disagree with your entire second paragraph. Something is clearly stopping him from bombing us right now, and you seem to be suggesting that it's not the courts, it's... his own goodwill? What?
You're right, I got mixed up with this thread and another -- this is about opening fire.
That's a false premise. Just because he isn't doing something doesn't mean he's prevented from doing it.
You could have said exactly the same thing about deploying the national guard to those states before he did it, and we can see that you would have been wrong.
Except, America has always fucked around with foreign leaders, so I wouldn't have said that. We've done a number of coups without congressional approval in my lifetime, the only remarkable thing about Maduro is that we took him alive.
In the same lifetime, we have never deployed troops to local neighborhoods.
Edit: you ninja edited me.
I also wouldn't have said the same thing about deploying national guard to those states, because that's also happened multiple times before Trump.
I envy your comfort in the guardrails and ability to rationalize Trump as behaving more-or-less within the bounds of precedence.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
I'd love to see some of that planning actually happen.
Come to my community meetings and help us set up a mutual aid network.
I've been looking into organizations in my area, Rotary seems interesting -- but I have this nagging suspicion someone is going to link me to why they're actually problematic.
Rotary can be good, but they lean more progressive lib than left left. They do have a lot of helpful programs for the community though.
Honestly, grassroots groups are popping up all over the place, and you can't even find them online yet. We didn't even have a website before I volunteered space, and I only found them by going to protests and talking to people there. There's one coming up at 2pm on Tuesday the 20th, so you're gonna find the ones willing to leave work early at that one.
Nothing wrong with being progressive lib. Not fond of most self-described left-left leaning people I meet anyways (at least on fedi). So maybe I'll look into it more.
lmao, yeah I feel you on the fediverse left. I promise we're not all like that offline too, gotta have practical praxis IRL.
See my edit, I deliberately changed my example the moment I posted it because I knew you'd say that.
Edit war lol
I wouldn't hold out hope for the vote saving us. https://youtube.com/shorts/Y7b4r1FIG-A
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Hopefully soon