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I don't care about Maduro, as far as I'm concerned, they can shoot him if they want. What matters to me is walking through the streets of my city and seeing the faces of fear on my neighbors. The military patrolling to prevent looting due to panic. It's a collective hangover, a horrible one.

It's 2016 all over again. It's seeing despair entering the circulatory system of all Venezuelans, only now it's more sudden, and we are painfully aware of it.

This is far from improving, and we know it.

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[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 135 points 7 months ago

Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?

Yes. Yes they are supposed to.

[-] Shadow@lemmy.ca 83 points 7 months ago

All the ones that would, have been replaced.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's why I get pissed about stories of the variety "X resigns rather than follow administrations orders". People seem to cheer when that happens because they see it as people pushing back on illegal orders, but they're not. They're just bailing from responsibility when they were one of the few people in the position to legitimately be a stopgap on this runaway power abuse. In resigning, they've just made it easier for a loyalist or morally corrupt replacement to come in and roll out the red carpet to the autocracy. Stay right where the fuck you're at, plant your feet, and tell them that you're absolutely not following illegal orders from anyone. That is worth cheering.

[-] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Resigning instead of refusing an illegal order is a betrayal of their oath to the constitution, and a betrayal of the American people

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

This. It’s not upholding the constitution, it’s standing back and watching it get fucked, while selling books or speaking engagements.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 18 points 7 months ago

Except the supreme court ruled no order from the executive branch is illegal

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 16 points 7 months ago

I know youre being funny about it, but I need to point out the officer's oath is not to the president, and the supreme court is irrelevant in this.

Specifically any orders which violate the constitution, federal law, or (specifically an "or" here, not "and") international law should be refused. Typical examples are torturing people who are detained, targeting civilians, etc.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Not exactly. They ruled the president cannot be prosecuted for illegal acts taken in the capacity of president. So it's more "he can do illegal shit and we can't stop him" and less "anything he does it automatically legal". So refusing an illegal order would presumably still be a valid route of action.

But from what I know about the military, they can just punish you in some other capacity even if what you did is technically legal. Ie reassigning you to some shit duty or miserable location.

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