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The US Attacked my country... (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by NONE_dc@lemmy.world to c/actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
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I don't care about Maduro, as far as I'm concerned, they can shoot him if they want. What matters to me is walking through the streets of my city and seeing the faces of fear on my neighbors. The military patrolling to prevent looting due to panic. It's a collective hangover, a horrible one.

It's 2016 all over again. It's seeing despair entering the circulatory system of all Venezuelans, only now it's more sudden, and we are painfully aware of it.

This is far from improving, and we know it.

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[-] redlemace@lemmy.world 131 points 7 months ago

What about your military staff (Generals and the likes) Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 135 points 7 months ago

Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?

Yes. Yes they are supposed to.

[-] Shadow@lemmy.ca 83 points 7 months ago

All the ones that would, have been replaced.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's why I get pissed about stories of the variety "X resigns rather than follow administrations orders". People seem to cheer when that happens because they see it as people pushing back on illegal orders, but they're not. They're just bailing from responsibility when they were one of the few people in the position to legitimately be a stopgap on this runaway power abuse. In resigning, they've just made it easier for a loyalist or morally corrupt replacement to come in and roll out the red carpet to the autocracy. Stay right where the fuck you're at, plant your feet, and tell them that you're absolutely not following illegal orders from anyone. That is worth cheering.

[-] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Resigning instead of refusing an illegal order is a betrayal of their oath to the constitution, and a betrayal of the American people

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

This. It’s not upholding the constitution, it’s standing back and watching it get fucked, while selling books or speaking engagements.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 18 points 7 months ago

Except the supreme court ruled no order from the executive branch is illegal

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 16 points 7 months ago

I know youre being funny about it, but I need to point out the officer's oath is not to the president, and the supreme court is irrelevant in this.

Specifically any orders which violate the constitution, federal law, or (specifically an "or" here, not "and") international law should be refused. Typical examples are torturing people who are detained, targeting civilians, etc.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Not exactly. They ruled the president cannot be prosecuted for illegal acts taken in the capacity of president. So it's more "he can do illegal shit and we can't stop him" and less "anything he does it automatically legal". So refusing an illegal order would presumably still be a valid route of action.

But from what I know about the military, they can just punish you in some other capacity even if what you did is technically legal. Ie reassigning you to some shit duty or miserable location.

[-] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 7 months ago
  • “Fascist to the core... the most dangerous person to this country.” — Gen. Mark Milley, Trump’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Highest-ranking military officer). Status: Trump has suggested he should be executed for treason.
  • “He fits the general definition of fascist... he certainly prefers the dictator approach.” — Gen. John Kelly, Trump’s White House Chief of Staff and retired Marine General. Status: Trump has attacked him as "dumb," "weak," and a "low life."
  • “Effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump.” — Gen. James Mattis, Trump’s first Secretary of Defense and retired Marine General. Status: Trump labeled him the "world’s most overrated general."
  • “I do regard him as a threat to democracy... I think he’s unfit for office.” — Mark Esper, Trump’s second Secretary of Defense. Status: Fired after refusing Trump's order to "just shoot" protesters in the legs.
  • “His sense of betrayal drove him to abandon his oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution,’ a president’s highest obligation.” — Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s second National Security Adviser. Status: Publicly attacked by Trump as "naive."
  • “Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.” — Mike Pence, Trump’s Vice President. Status: Trump has spent years attacking him for refusing to overturn the election.
  • “A consummate narcissist... our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.” — Bill Barr, Trump’s second Attorney General. Status: Trump has called him a "weak," "lazy," and "RINO" coward.
  • “I understand what you want to do, but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law.” — Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first Secretary of State. Status: Fired; Trump called him "dumb as a rock" and "lazy."
  • “He has never cared about America... his conduct and mere existence have hastened the demise of democracy.” — Ty Cobb, Trump’s White House Lawyer during the Russia investigation. Status: Dismissed by Trump as a "weak lawyer."
  • “He makes up what he wants to say... how little of American history he knows.” — John Bolton, Trump’s third National Security Adviser. Status: Trump calls him a "wacko" and a "disgruntled boring fool."
  • “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator.” — Gen. Mark Milley, during his farewell address as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 18 points 7 months ago

Sadly a good chunk of the good ones were fired, and the others are too scared about their pensions to do anything. The rest have been installed by our glorious dictator and also suck his cock on the daily.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

He's been getting rid of those guys since day 1. Undoubtedly they came in with purge lists.

And then of course they gave this operation to a loyalist.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Yes, they are supposed to. They also are trained to follow orders, and much more vigorously.

But generally, overthrowing governments that oppose the USA is seen as routine. We do this frequently.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

but they also have alot of trump supporters in the military, im not surprised.

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