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This is technically true, but misses the context of massive PR and smear campaigns against EVs on social media. People voted with their wallet after being bombarded with propaganda on EVs being somehow more dangerous, somehow worse for the environment, and that it's more fun apparently to go to a gas station every week.
Me, an EV owner who hasn't gone to a gas station in 2 years now, has had no maintenance, and happily charges at home
I love how everyone was freaking out about the effects of EVs on the grid but no one gives a fuck about AI's energy usage.
Turns out it was never them being worried about the power usage at all...
Lots of people give a fuck about AI's energy usage, but the data centers are paying off the people that could do something about it.
I get what you're saying but EVs are totally different than data centers in terms of electrical load distribution.
EV can help smooth out usage spikes with two way energy transfer.
That's nice in theory but reality is if that were happening and people's vehicles battery charge started going down while they were plugged in at home, they'd unplug. They plugged it in because they wanted to recharge for later, not because they want to help the grid.
Electric vehicles as facilitators of grid stability and flexibility: A multidisciplinary overview.
If your on the larger Internet you'll find there are lots of people concerned about AI data centers to the point they're protesting. If we were to switch to EV enmass the grid would need upgrades and since its in largely private hands those upgrades would be slow and expensive.
The electric F150 lost 5 figures on everyone sold so its not surprising that Ford was looking for a reason to stop production.
Instead of trolling here with arguments outside the scope, take your discussion to @FuckAI
This is within the scope of the conversation and the community.
I think it's more the price than anything else. Tesla is nowhere near a premium car, let alone a luxury one, but sells for luxury car prices. Of course other manufacturers wanted to jump on this train with spectacular profit margins.
For most A to B drivers a new EV is completely out of their price range. Not to mention a bunch of them live in apartments so they would effectively still have to go to a "gas" station to fill up, except now it takes 3 times as long.
Price is the only reason that I've seen that I respect. They are more expensive. If you can afford one I recommend switching, if you can't then I understand.
No charging at home is doable, but it wouldn't be easy, so I also respect that one - but I recommend something like a plugin hybrid for when you can.
For 80% of Americans who have at least 2 cars and a garage though, there's no reason not to have one of them be an EV. You have a place to charge at home so you never need gas, and yes it's more expensive but if you have a garage and can afford more than one car, then maybe hold on for the extra 10k to get an EV.
Largest ev markets are CA and NY and there number of people living in SFHs is closer to 55%.
I have a phev that I regret since I had to get a minivan and now drive it exclusively on long trips so phev is basically full electric in the city now, but I have to burn gas anyway since otherwise ice components get messed up from disuse.
My (somewhat niche) reason is I need a wheelchair accessible car and I can't find any company that modifies the only electric minivan I'm aware of to install a ramp.
Yeah, but the EV companies could have ran counter attacks if it was that easy.
If it provides any context at all, I want my next vehicle to be an EV. I've already had my electrician run large enough conduit to add L2 charging to my garage when I added electricity to my garage this year. My dream vehicle is actually the Rivian R1T.
Having a charger at home is honestly so freaking nice. I just don't think about gas or gas stations or anything. I will never go back to ICE vehicles after this one
I try to tell people this all the time. They always say they're worried about range and I slays remind them that it's plugged in when you're home so you always start the day with full range. Unlike an ICE where your range dwindles with every drive until you make a specific stop at a gas station. Also not having to worry about oil changes has to be amazing.
The problem for me is the absolutely criminal rates for DC fast charging, and the fact that almost every EV charger is trying to lock you in to an ecosystem. This is pretty easy to fix though.
What I learned driving my EV for a year is that people don't have range anxiety, they have charging anxiety. When you are on a trip in your EV, it is very difficult to find a charger without pulling over and futzing around in a few apps. Meanwhile, for gas cars, they've had 2+ stations at every exit for the last hour with prices on billboards that can be seen from miles away.
This is valid, the charging infrastructure was getting much better than stalled ironically because people said "the charging infrastructure isn't good enough". If a trip is long enough sometimes we just rent a car
My "break even" point where it costs the same to use my EV or my wife's civic is one stop to recharge. If a trip is going to take 2 or more fast charges, it's cheaper to to take the other car.
It was strange talking to my brother about that - I showed him the data that last year I needed to use a supercharger three times in road trips, never more than 20 minutes. Otherwise I charge at home for half price. All those weeks of never going to a gas station are somehow outweighed by the very small number of times I need to charge in a trip.
I did eventually persuade him but he bought the Chevy ~~behemoth~~ Silverado because he thinks he needs to drive 7 hours at a stretch instead of five
People talk about EVs like they do long haul 12 hour road trips every week and that it's just "imposssssible" to have an EV. Like, it's not nearly as bad as people make it sound, and then even then if it is terrible just keep an ICE vehicle around for them. Apparently I'm a weird one with 99% of my trips being commuting, going to the grocery store, random errands, and short 20ish mile drives.
Especially since we live in the northeast. He’s not driving anywhere there’s not good availability of trip chargers