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[-] hamid@crazypeople.online 27 points 6 days ago
[-] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Nowhere in that does it really explain why voting is counter productive. Voting is a tool, and a very cheap one. It only costs at most an hour once every 3 years and requiring knowledge of current events and politics, which is stuff you will know about anyway if you're involved in any kind of direct action.

The only potential argument there is the psychological one, where people are lead to think voting is enough to do their part, but I don't think that's a strong enough argument to pass up choosing your opposition. As shit as Labour is, National and Act are worse, and by any logic other than accellerationism (which is a terrible idea of you care about the human cost), Labour will make fighting capitalism that little bit easier.

I understand not running for office. That article gives good reasons that actually joining politics is a wasted effort. It takes a lot of time and money, and almost always ends up making people slide towards the "reasonable politician", not the radical that they promised to be.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

which is a terrible idea of you care about the human cost

Once you're at the point of advocating for voting in genocidal right wingers, you've lost the ability to just dismiss things out of hand by invoking the "human cost".

Labour will make fighting capitalism that little bit easier.

Citation needed mate. I'm pretty sure you just mean you'll be more materially comfortable under Labour.

[-] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

advocating for voting in genocidal right wingers

I am advocating for using your vote to reduce human cost as much as possible. What that means depends on the context.

If you're in America, the decision right now is between one genocide, two genocides, or refusing to have an impact on that decision with how impossible the system is for third parties. One less genocide is the least bad option, unless you have a better one.

If you're in New Zealand (where I live, so I'm more familiar with the politics here than anywhere else), there are multiple options because of MMP voting. That means I won't be advocating for voting in genocidal right wingers.

citation needed

Labour coalitions have historically been the governments that have had the best impact on workers rights. At least far more than national coalitions.

Also, don't think I'm saying you should vote for labour next year. Labour is shit, vote for someone better

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