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Ukraine Says It Won’t Give Up Land to Russia
(www.theatlantic.com)
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Why should they?
Because he didn’t say thank you.
Because the zone is a wasteland anyways, and the few that live there were pro Russian as far as I remember
If a part of your country doesn’t want to belong to you anymore, then it shouldn’t (like Taiwan or Hong Kong)
The vast majority regions that Russia currently occupied/demanding were overwhelmingly pro-Ukrainian (opposing to Russian aggression) before the invasion. Or are you referring the annexation referendum or some vote results made under occupation by foreign military force? If you brutally invade a neighboring country and force its people to make an annexation referendum at gunpoint, surely the result will favor you, and you can invade other countries wherever you want like that.
Source?
The views and opinions of South-Eastern regions residents of Ukraine: April 2014 https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=1&y=2014&m=4
Thank you. I think there is some slight nuance here but these numbers certainly refute the narrative that the locals wanted to join Russia. Assuming the poll was conducted fairly. I'm not familiar with the agency behind it.
I had bookmarked more different polls, but I lost all after I renewed my PC :/ You can look into it and find more.
Only because of Russia. Imagine the implications of that mindset. Just bomb a place to shit them take it.
False. Are you going off what Russia said?! Lol Russia killed, displaced, threatened, and lied about those votes.
We already established that's built on a lie but even if that's true that's not a green light for Russia to invade.
Do you have any data suggesting otherwise? Before the invasion, those people weren't happy with the anti-russian language laws passed by the central government or the fascist militias they wouldn't stop.
Once again, you're using a gaslighting argument called changing the argument. Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine because a boarder region wants to leave? Even if that was true, the way Russia is going about claiming the region isn't justified. If Russia cared so much they wouldn't have turned the region into a wasteland. They wouldn't have tried to take the capital. They wouldn't be launching attacks well past the disputed area. Hell is you want to get specific, Russia wouldn't have any right Crimea. But I guess you have the dame lies on hand for that region too.
Neither side has any interest in the well-being and prosperity of the people living in those regions, I just want the war to stop. Same position I've held since 2022 when the lines were mostly where they are, and the peace deal was mostly where it is, but millions were still in their homes and hundreds of thousands still alive.
The war ends when Russia respects Ukraine's original post USSR fracturing boarders agreement because Ukraine had something like 80% of the USSR's nukes. You want the war to end. STFU.
Russia will never agree to that, so you're just advocating every last Ukrainian be sent to die in a meat grinder? Maybe if you send the poles, germans, and French to die too, Russia will run out of manpower and then you can have your borders.
Lol what do you mean? Russia already agreed to that back in the 90s. They are breaking their promises now. What makes you think they'll honor any new agreement? It's completely nonsensical. You know Putin wants all of Ukraine as a buffer region, and is still going off USSR brain.
From 1990 to 2014, Ukraine was a bufferzone/Russian puppet. After 2014, it became a US puppet.
Russia assumed:
they could restore the previous status quo in about 2 weeks, by driving directly to Kiev, in a straight line (lmao)
An EU-alligned Ukraine would eventually join NATO, putting hostile troops like 100 miles from Moscow.
The calculus will look very different after
the war showed their military and economy are still weaker than they were in 1990
There is not a hostile state about to be backed by NATO right on their border.
You've got to be part of a GOP or Russia troll farm. Done wasting my time.
Source?
The 2014 elections were actually pretty close in those areas. A month later the Russians invaded the Donbas though so there wasn't any chance to be pro-Ukrainian after that. And then there's the fact that people tend to not like like invading armies. I'm pretty sure anyone still in the area isn't a fan of the people shelling them every day.
Also, it's not a wasteland, it's actually a pretty strategic area.
in 2014, the ukrainian govt was a pro-russian pm, he fled after the people revolted against him. oh one of trumps former cabinet was working with russia/ukraine at the time too.
Yup and then they held snap elections right after. Russia was sore that Ukraine actually supported the pro-EU party and invaded Donbas under the fiction that it was a locally led and staffed rebellion against Kyiv. But there wasn't enough local support for a rebellion.
They were "honest" Russian elections
There is no such thing !
You're wrong
Nice argument
Thx
So the U.S should give up Texas every time they get a hair up their ass and holler to secede?
C'mon dude. Be real.
Honestly? I say if Texas voted, let 'em go. Let Abbot even be the Confederate President, then wait until Mexico shows their displeasure.
The US would never allow it. Too many military resources in Texas.
Wrong, everyone pro Russian stayed or moved to the occupied Donbass area in 2014
what putin was the resources in ukraine, and of course to replenish thier population with ukrainians.