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Crazy how the Ukronazis have the cash to fund their historical negationism projects but still keep begging the Feds for more of the People's wealth. (hexbear.net)

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[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Hot take but I bet they wouldn't have replaced it if somebody hadn't chosen to invade them (on whatever reason).

The whole idea is to bolster national identity in an attempt to boost morale, which is what every normal country does during wartime (doesn't mean I am d'accord with it because it's effectively trying to erase / replace history, but at the same time I think it's an understandable move from a logical point of view)

And I'm struggling with the word "Nazi", may it be in the Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese context. They all just differ so much from the Nazis, that they are not comparable in any way. The Nazis built concentration caps to enslave / murder millions of Jews and political opponents. Something modern Russians, Chinese and Ukrainians aren't doing in as far as can be CERTAINLY said (or at least aren't doing to the extent the Nazis did). "Nazi" is just a word that gets thrown way too early but fact is that the Nazis were WAY WORSE than the Ukrainians, Russians and Chinese are today.

Imo this war is totally unnecessary, and a complete waste of resources and humans. And those who are hit the worst are the poor families whilst the rich are profiting (just like always). Here's a line from "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch" written by "Ernst Busch": "Das ist der Krieg der Herrscher der Welt, gegen die Arbeiterklasse!" (Translated: "This is the war of the rulers from the world, against the worker's class!") and it is very fitting.

To sum up this war in one sentence: "Putin is bitching against the West, they are bitching back and poor plebs are biting the dust for it. And let me be clear about something very important: Are the Ukrainians Nazis? - No! Are there ukrainian Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, there are! Are the Russians Nazis? - No! Are there Russian Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, there are! Are there Nazis / radical nationalists in western democracies? - Yes, there are! Do both Ukrainian and Russian officials love to take pictures with their country's Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, they BOTH enjoy that. Vlad for example loves to shake hands with his favourite radical nationalist motorcycle gang, doesn't he? *wink...

Anyways the world isn't black and white, so is this war. Sometimes the media just wants to push us towards a side (even if that is due to a lack of information or because information gets swallowed upon summoning a topic up. And yes, information can also get swallowed intentionally.) In any case it is important to build their own opinion instead of just blindly repeating media buzz words like "Ugronazis" or "the evil "...

If one thing is for sure: in a few decades we'll look back and be like: "we were so stupid to fight over this... But that moment will come after the realization of just how unnecessary it all has been"

My honest opinion: Why don't we just host a hunger games session: winner takes Donbass & Crimea. No hiding in a bunker just a team deathmatch: Putin and his gang vs Selensky, Biden and their gang. (Radical nationalists on both sides are welcome to die there too). Visitor entry 's free for all innocent people who have lost their home, body abilities, minds or loved ones in this conflict.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Originally published January 12, 1988

https://www.villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/

Which leaves us with a puzzle: Wouldn’t one or two or 3.5 million famine-related deaths be enough to make an anti-Stalinist argument? Why seize a wildly inflated figure that can’t possibly be supported? The answer tells much ahout the Ukrainian nationalist cause, and about those who abet it.

“They’re always looking to come up with a number bigger than six million,” observed Eli Rosenbaum, general counsel for the World Jewish Congress. “It makes the reader think: ‘My god, it’s worse than the Holocaust.’ ”

In its original statement of purpose in 1929, the OUN betrays a raw Nazi influence: “Do not hesitate to commit the greatest crime, if the good of the Cause demands it … Aspire to expand the strength, riches, and size of the Ukrainian State even by means of enslaving foreigners.” This sentiment was echoed in a 1941 letter to the German Secret Service from the OUN’s dominant Bandera wing: “Long live greater independent Ukraine without Jews, Poles, and Germans. Poles behind the [river] San, Germans to Berlin, Jews to the gallows.”

Not surprisingly, Ukrainian émigrés are among the harshest and most powerful critics of Nazi-hunting. They have sought to kill both the Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations and the Canadian Deschenes Commission — and with good reason. Sol Littman, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Toronto, recently presented the commission with the names of 475 suspected Nazi collaborators. He reports that Ukrainians were “very heavily represented” on the list.

It may not be sheer coincidence that faminology took wing just after the OSI was commissioned in 1979. For here was a way to rehabilitate fascism- — to prove that Ukrainian collaborators were helpless victims, caught between the rock of Hitler and Stalin’s hard place. To wit, this bit of psycho-journalism from the 33 March 24 Washington Post, in a story on accused war criminal John “Ivan the Terrible” Demjanjuk: “The pivotal event in Demjanjuk’s childhood was the great famine of the early 1930s, conceived by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin as a way of destroying the independent Ukrainian peasantry … Several members of [Demjanjuk’s] family died in the catastrophe.”

Coupled with the old nationalist canard of “Judeo-Bolshevism,” faminology could help justify anti-Semitism, collaboration, even genocide. An eye for an eye; a Nazi holocaust in return for a “Jewish famine.”

Just as the Nazis used the OUN for their own ends, so has Reagan exploited the famine, from his purple-prosed commemoration of “this callous act” to his backing of the Mace commission. Faced with failing fascist allies around the world, from Nicaragua to South Africa, the U.S. war lobby needs to boost anti-Communism as never before. Public enthusiasm to fight for the contras will not come easy. But if people could be convinced that Communism is worse than fascism; that Stalin was an insane monster, even worse than Hitler; that the seven million died in more unspeakable agony than the six million …. Well, we just might be set up for the next Gulf of Tonkin. One cannot appease an Evil Empire, after all.