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And here I was waiting to get unplugged, or maybe finding a Nokia phone that received a call.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 35 points 6 days ago

The fundamental philosophical error here is assuming that all forms of simulation are computational or mathematical.

Uh... that's literally what a simulation is.

Counterexample: your dreams are a form of simulation (probably). So I can literally disprove this take in my sleep

But dreams aren't simulating reality as we observe it; they just kinda do their own thing. Your brain isn't consistently simulating quantum mechanics (or, hell, even simple things like clocks) while you're dreaming so this is a moot point.

[-] lung@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

People who are lucid dreaming simulate a full reality that's nearly indistinguishable from the one they find themselves in during waking time. If your brain can't tell the difference during this time, how can you be sure you're not dreaming right now reading this?

The scope of what a simulation is has always been limited by the technology we know. It is only a failing of imagination and knowledge to assume that algorithmic computation is the only valid form of simulation in the future, these have existed for barely 100 years, but even Plato's cave was talking about the larger philosophical problem

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago

A lucid dream does not fully simulate anything, it is an altered state that includes the subjective apprehension of verisimilitude. Perceptions and apprehensions, even outside of altered states, do not constitute proof of anything.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

While I'm far from an expert on it... at best the dream simulations are still, extremely rudimentary. To the point that's usually how you can tell it isn't real by doing something like reading a book. IE it's largely believable, but only because you are put in a gullible state. Like watching 2 year old AI videos, while stoned.

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