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Too many people online love to use "ad hominem" as a defense when someone uses language like: "you're stupid and here is why..."
Not saying that's what's done here. It's not. I just feel like the only time I see people use "logical fallacies" like this is incorrectly.
Ad hominem is NOT when someone insults someone they are arguing with. It's when they use the insult or personal attack as a REASON for why something is wrong.
The extreme example being: "Hitler says being a vegetarian is good. But Hitler was a fucking Nazi."
It's implying the character flaws of the individual are associated with the subject of debate. It's often used in tandem with the Strawman Fallacy to both create doubt in the character of your opponent as well as mischaracterize what your opponent is arguing so it is easily defeated.
She constantly strawmans here by invoking any criticism towards Israel as being instead on "Jews". Which, maybe worked two years ago. But Zionist are sniffing their own farts at this point. The only people that believe that anymore are other Zionist.
Definition is: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
I am not an English professor.
The argument was: "When Cenk floated the idea that Israel got a “pass” on committing genocide against Palestinians, Miller wondered if the Trump administration might need to take a closer look at his recently granted citizenship."
The argument being that the administration was turning a blind eye or even complicit in the genocide. The response was a threat but also a personal attack as in their opinion or argument was invalid because of their ethnicity, citizenship, etc. To me, that is a reaction that was directed against the person instead of the position they were maintaining.
"Ad hominem is NOT when someone insults someone they are arguing with. It’s when they use the insult or personal attack as a REASON for why something is wrong."
I still think the reaction of threatening someone based on ethnicity/citizenship was their REASON why this person's argument is invalid. But I am assuming that is what they were implying with the threat.
I assume that the threat of deportation was the answer to the argument, as it implies that argument is invalid due to the actual person presenting the argument and not an actual answer or debate. But I do see how it's more a subtle interpretation. They don't actually say it, they just imply that the argument is wrong based on a personal attack.
I think what you're saying is it should have been more like Miller responded with a direct personal attack as the reason for why the argument was wrong. But for me it seems like that was implied as the reason.
Maybe it's a stretch ¯_(ツ)_/¯