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[-] Fredthefishlord 13 points 2 days ago

The world and society have explicitly gotten far better since and because of the advent of serious representative democracy.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago

The US and Britain genocided entire continents using representative "democracy" (IE capitalist dictatorship).

[-] Fredthefishlord 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You don't know what a dictatorship is. So far there isn't a form of government that hasn't. But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

Very few modern states are settler states based on native eviction: only the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel.

The major colonialist powers of the last few hundred years were a tiny number of european nations.

But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren't democracies, and you'd be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they're improving.

[-] Fredthefishlord 6 points 2 days ago

Even off the top of my head, there's japan as well. So your first statement is explicitly wrong. I'm sure I can find numerous more examples if I care to start digging.

The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren't democracies, and you'd be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they're improving.

Improved. I didn't use the present tense. Backslides happen. They're alarming and need to be stopped. So, you're advocating for pure democracy. Do you believe every rule and regulation should be decided by majority vote? Personally, I believe some form of representative democracy is the only practical way to run a country/collective. Otherwise, constant votes will prevent people from paying attention

[-] Mr_WorldlyWiseman 3 points 2 days ago

Russia too. To some extent Sweden and China too.

Also plenty of settler states out there but they didn't evict indigenous people as much.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

Things got better after unified monarchies ordained by God superceded quarreling petty kingdoms. Things got better with constitutional monarchies with aristocrat parliaments. Things got better with suffrage and classic liberal democracy.

Each system has its limitations and contradictions, and each of them were superceded when those became incompatible with the current reality.

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