But how? That’s the key question. No one has succeeded in this yet.

On second thought, I guess it might not be safe for you to articulate your preferred strategy publicly. But if there’s anything you can say in general terms, I’d be interested.

Personally, I think the challenge of dismantling ICE is not a physical or military challenge but a political one. How do we destroy ICE’s popularity to the extent that people stop protecting it, and toppling it becomes feasible? Because today, it simply is not.