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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago

I don’t disagree, but I think it’s pretty clear Lawrence is using the American colloquial definition of liberal rather than the academic definition.

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago

Even if you use the academic version it makes sense. Liberalism is the default ideology in the USA. The majority of the population at any point will be Liberals.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

"the American colloquial definition" is the American colloquial term for propaganda

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

Left leaning liberalism = liberals in the USA. It ignores the right leaning liberals and is flawed.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, "liberals" "in the USA" = everyone on the left in America, which is wrong and bad because it ignores all of the anti-capitalist people and silences them by labeling them with an explicitly pro-capitalist Ideology. The left is (at the very least) liberals and socialists and some kinds of anarchists, there is a lot they have in common they can work on but calling them all "liberals" distorts reality in a consequential way.

e; Scpelling is hard sometimes

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

“The left is (at the very least) liberals and socialists and some kinds of anarchists,”

This is a VERY Eurocentric perspective. What constitutes progressive/left views changes culture to culture.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

This is a VERY Eurocentric perspective

Oh bullshit, there are and have been American anarchists and socialists who have worked with and sometimes worked against American liberals going back to at least the early 20th century. Like, just to grab the most obvious example, Frances Perkins was a member of the freakin Socialist Party of America for years before she joined FDRs cabinet as labor secretary and did a bunch of the New Deal stuff liberals pat themselves on the back for now.

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

No it is because there are more nations than what comprises the West. Your definition would not make any sense in one of the dozens of authoritarian nations that are still trying to determine IF human rights exist.

The POV you are advocating suggests every society faces the same struggles and questions and that isn’t true.

Given how much historical evil can be tied to Eurocentrism it us important to stomp it out when you see it.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nah the instant I saw this post I just fucking knew the comments would be full of these fucking clowns. Just block the divisive trolls as soon as you see them and things will get much better

[-] Bleys@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

“Well ACKSHUALLY the party that literally passed these key pieces of progressive legislation deserve 0% of the credit! In fact liberals are worse than the conservatives, who we will never even bother to criticize! The libs are our true enemy!”

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