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Why would there be an issue getting into Romania? The article doesnt mention if they were tourists staying in Romania or tourists staying in Hungary, but nevertheless if I would be at a border and a border guard asks for my ID I would just show it to them, especially at the airport. But if I am on a bike-ride and saw a border like this, within the EU, I would think nothing of it and go around it. I would never dream that inside of the EU crossing an unmanned border would be an issue
Because Romania is in the EU but it is not in Schengen, so you have to show your ID at the border EVERY TIME you enter/exit the country, same with Bulgaria.
If they would have crossed from Hungary to Austria, it would be no problem since both countries are in Schengen and no ID is necessary.
For this whole drama, the tourists can thank the Austrian gov since they vetoed Romania's entry into Schengen last year even tho they fulfill all the requirements to do so.
Yeah I understand what the problem is, that's not what I meant. What I meant is that as a tourist in an inside-EU-country I would not know that this is the case
I would also not conclude that I'm outside of the Schengen region when I have to show my ID at the border. It's really not unusual to have border-police check your ID inside the Schengen region, in fact its done quite a lot in some areas (in Germany for example when crossing from Austria to Bavaria). So I can totally understand why they just biked around it and didnt think further of it.
So they probably got into Romania like everyone else, by showing their ID at the Airport, but they didnt conclude from this that they are outside of the Schengen region.
It might be that English is not my first language but what I understand from your comment is that tourists should be ok for not knowing the laws when travelling between EU countries?
It's true, many people from the west don't think about Schengen, they take it for granted but businesses and to some extent normal people from Romania/Bulgaria suffer from not being in Schengen and nobody seems to slap Austria for this current situation.
From your comments I assume that you are Romanian? In that case I can see why you are surprised that tourists dont know about Romania not being part of Schengen.
For me, a German, I can only tell you that for us everything looks like EU and Schengen are an integral part.
At the Airport, we have two Gates:
"EU-Destination" and "Non-EU-Destination". "EU-Destination" Gates are the Schengen gates, but they are just named "EU-Destination". To be honest, I don't know which gates to take when travelling to Romania. Especially as a German, we are surrounded by EU and Schengen countries, there is no border that has a non-Schengen border crossing. I live very close to the border and I cross it weekly. For me, an EU border is nothing I ever think about not crossing. Because of all of that, when I travel inside the EU, I never check about border rules. It's for me one of the great benefits of the EU, that I can just go wherever I want to go without a single care. I hated COVID because of all the different laws while travelling.
Only from your post, I now know that Romania is not part of Schengen. If I would book a vacation in Romania, I would just google "Is Romania part of EU", it shows me a few articles about Romania joining EU in 2007 and I would not look further into it. I think it's reasonable to assume that Romania is part of Schengen because of it being in EU.
But I totally agree with you. It sucks that you are denied Schengen status over and over again. It generally sucks that nobody slaps anyone in foreign politics for their racist remarks in EU. Fuck Austria for denying you Schengen status. I hope you'll get it soon!
Yes your assumption is right. However, I kinda know the story from both sides, Schengen and non-Schengen because I have a dual-citizenship(Gude ๐). Maybe that's why for me is "not normal" and I pay attention to this but yes, I know what you mean with the airports.
Ignorantia juris non excusat
I never said that they should be treated as innocent! I just wanted to shed light on what their thought-process while crossing this border was.
What I mean it doesn't matter you know or you don't know. If you get caught, the law treat you the same.
Yeah and thats totally fine. But this comment thread (from my side) never was about the juristic side of that story but only about the thought-process of those people on their bikes.
That's not really true.
Intent is a very important aspect of guilt. Might be f.e. be the difference between murder and manslaughter