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Mark Carney says Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to Canada (cultmtl.com)

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

He isn't respecting internstional law since he didn't implement an both side arms embargo , no sanctions on the state of israel and deny palestinian rights to self defence

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 4 days ago

What international laws are you thinking of?

[-] leastaction@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

What is outrageous here is that Canada is arming Israel, while selfrighteously denying it. https://ploughshares.ca/canada-under-contract-to-supply-the-idf-with-artillery-propellant/

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 2 days ago

This one is unfortunate but you can see why in the fine print:

GD-OTS-Canada’s Valleyfield plant is the sole source of this type of propellant for the US Army

It's part of a shared distribution from the US to both Israel and Ukraine, one of which we desperately want to help. I cannot imagine a universe in which the US lets Canada demand none of it go to Israel and it all goes to Ukraine.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

the Geneva and genocide conventions

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Geneva applies to Israel's conduct.

The genocide convention underlies the icj and UN approaches etc, all of which Canada is following. (Yes, the UN is flawed but that's the unfortunate reality of international law.)

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Canada is following the geneva convention obligations?

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 4 days ago

Are you sure you mean the Geneva convention?

That's about how countries conduct war and outlines the rights of civilians, soldiers etc.

I'm not sure how you get to Canada violating that?

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Go educate yourself . The convention also oblige countries to not be complicit with countries who do not respect it and abuse human rights. Canada is still selling and buying military equipment's from/to Israel and did not impose a single sanction of the state of Israel

The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/common-article-1-1949-geneva-conventions/

Article 1 of the Geneva Conventions is generally interpreted as conferring a responsibility on third party states not involved in an armed conflict to not encourage a party to an armed conflict to violate international humanitarian law, nor to take action that would assist in such violations, and to take appropriate steps to cause such violations to cease.

https://www.ejiltalk.org/common-article-1-does-prohibit-complicity-in-ihl-violations-through-arms-transfers-or-otherwise/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Common+Article+1+of+the%2Csuch+violations%2C+and+to+take

Also there hundred of canadians serving in the idf despite canadian law prohibiting serving a foreign state army especially one with serious human right abuses

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 4 days ago

Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms.

The Geneva conventions do not obligate countries to march in to prevent abuses, nor have serious legal experts said that normal trade with Israel is illegal.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms. Canada like many other countries lied about it. There is a reason why Israel is not in the official list https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/types.aspx?lang=eng#a1

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arms-ammunition-shipments-israel-canada-1.7596091

I would like you to address the issue of Canadian serving under the IDF when Canadian law is prohibiting it. Why Carney or any other prime is not applying it's own?

It is really frustrating for me to see people still defending the government blindly like that

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 3 points 4 days ago

Canada like many other countries lied about it.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-controversy-over-canadas-rules-on-military-exports-to-israel-explained/

It's much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

Canadian serving under the IDF

Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

Yes, I'd like the government to do more.

But, that is different from the government not following international law.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

Nice excuses like usual . I don't care how complicated it is. Israel is committing serious human right abuses almost every day against Palestinians similar to North Korea. I don't want such a terrible trade partner for Canada

Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

Even if it was one. Canada is not respecting it's own laws yet you still makes dumb excuses about it .

But, that is different from the government not following international law.

Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

If Canada don't want to care about it maybe it should simply drop sanctions on all the countries they have sanctions on that is not a direct and imminent threat to Canadian security itself

Yes, I'd like the government to do more. With all the excuses you spew I don't think I can believe you on that

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

We seem to be talking about different things. I am pointing out that Canada is meeting its legal obligations. You are angry Canada isn't doing more.

These are fundamentally different conversations.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Providing weapons from a genocidal state is meeting it's legal obligation? Having a law prohibiting Canadian to serve under a foreign state and not applying it is not a breach of it's legal obligation? You are not serious at all

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 days ago

We've already been over this:

https://piefed.ca/comment/1872919

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah your arguments was so weak that it is both frustrating and laughable at the same time. Frustrating because Palestinian lives are so cheap for western countries and Arab countries that collaborate with Israel and you. Funny because they are all terrible excuses

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Wanting the government to do more does not make its actions illegal.

Read the article for an explanation on the arms sales.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I read the article. It doesn't deny that Canada is still selling weapons to Israel . I don't care how difficult or complex it is, selling weapons to genocidal state is being complicit about the most severe war crime ever. Canadians serving the idf when it is prohibited is also a breach of international laws and Canadian law. How hard is for you to understand such a simple logic?

Hell, Canada did even ignored the selling of lands in the occupied west bank in Synagogues. Canada claim to oppose settlements while allowing that.