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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can know which alleyway to run down. During a stampede? Even the 10-20 feet it would take to get to that alleyway can feel like 10-20 miles of getting elbowed, kicked, and stomped by panicking people.

Under a "normal" protest? When the tear gas starts flying, people pause to pull their mask up or wrap a scarf around their face. When the rubber bullets start flying? People take cover and suddenly you realize why that woman had a really heavy sign. Eothas forbid, a gunshot? You have people from The Hood who are tragically well trained in identifying what kind of gun that was and what direction it came from. And so forth.

When you have a bunch of shirtless dudes trying to pick up chicks and people focusing on the choreography for their protest dance? They haven't read up on what to do. They aren't listening to the hippie with a glass eye talking about what happened the last time the cops rushed them. When the tear gas starts flying? They get the fuck out no matter what it takes. Which turns a protest into Black Friday at a Toys R Us. Same with that car backfiring (or that dumbass having a negligent discharge...).

Newbies at a protest is good. We need more bodies. But you need newbies who actually "care". Rather than people who are just looking for an excuse to show off their gym bodies because they painted a message on their chest.

That said: I am REALLY happy that the frog suit protests in Portland have gotten so much (social) media coverage. It is pageantry but it is also REALLY effective PPE.

OTOH a massacre would likely destroy Republican legitimacy among a chunk of their supporters

A "stampede" where a protest turned on itself because of an inciting incident (false flag or not) just paints the victims as rabid dogs. It is an extension of "The LA Riots were full of looters" and so forth.

But also? I dislike how much people have decided their lives are Call of Duty and they are going to John McClane their way through The War. But I still think "Who are you?" from Andor is essential viewing for anyone who at all cares about the world. Because it depicts exactly how a false flag can be used to incite a powder keg and turn genocide into "both sides". And the follow up episode makes it 100% clear what happens when the fascists control the media that is reporting on what happened.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago

The one I was at did training on how to respond. Remember: people are at a protest in their own community

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Which, in a situation where you have people who understand what it means to protest, works great. I've given that training myself on quite a few occasions over the... decades.

When you are just grabbing as many warm bodies as you can and most people are there because it is a party and isn't TOO much harder than using an app to put a watermelon on top of their facebook profile picture? You can "train" them but they aren't paying attention to the scrawny woman who has seen some shit and is trying to explain that the first thing you do if you hear a gunshot is to duck down, take a breath, and figure out what direction it came from so that you can move for cover. They are instead thinking about how fun it will be or what they'll be able to put on instagram.

Like I said, Parade Protests. They are awesome for showing that people DO give a shit. But as things get more and more real, you are putting a LOT of uncontrollable variables into the mix.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago

It's all about knowing a friend is looking out for you too.

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