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u/csimonson · 2025-06-30 13:46:31 UTC · score 247
There’s so much bad shit that’s in that Bill. I’m perfectly fine if we don’t get waived fees for silencers and SBR’s.
u/KiritoIsAlwaysRight_ · 2025-06-30 15:43:01 UTC · score 15
And either way you're still being put on a registry, which is something I'm really apprehensive about with this administration. Making it free is a convenient way to get a bunch of gun owners to voluntarily list themselves, and authoritarian regimes have historically not been friendly to citizen gun ownership.
To quote our favorite fishy space commander, "It's a trap!"
u/TheAmazingX · 2025-06-30 16:26:56 UTC · score 16
If you aren't registering your NFA items now, you still won't when this bill passes. No one is doing it to save $200. As for everyone else, it's a catch-22. More gun owners getting on that registry is bad, but more gun owners owning suppressors and SBRs normalizes them, and normalization is king in any civil rights movement.
u/dircs · 2025-06-30 13:48:22 UTC · score 4
The bill is going to pass, like it is not, so there might as well be something good in it.
u/CountryMac84 · 2025-06-30 13:47:47 UTC · score -65
Such as?
u/Namk49001 · 2025-06-30 14:12:10 UTC · score 105
Increase in surveillance, loss of healthcare, loss of food assistance (adults, children, veterans), add $3.5 trillion to debt, 16x increase to spending for ICE, selling of 1.3 million acers of public land (i think this was removed), prevention of AI regulation for 10 years. There's probably more that I'm not remembering off the top of my head. But IMO its bad enough that SHORT and Hearing Safe feel like carrots on a donkey.
u/yami76 · 2025-06-30 14:12:10 UTC · score 53
2 trillion dollars in tax cuts predominantly for the wealthy (lowest tax brackets will actually pay more in tax). Estate tax exemption up to 15mil. Cuts to SNAP and Medicaid. The entire thing will cost trillions while “saving” billions.
u/bacon_toss · 2025-06-30 14:21:22 UTC · score 4
Did the no income tax if earning under 200k get included? What about the no tax on tips or overtime?
u/yami76 · 2025-06-30 14:29:42 UTC · score 13
Overtime and tips are still in there but the senate and house versions differ so they’ll have to reconcile somehow. The senate version doesn’t include the SALT deduction.
u/FriendlyBlanket · 2025-06-30 16:16:44 UTC · score 2
I thought overtime was removed and the tax on tips was for cash only tips
u/yami76 · 2025-06-30 16:18:29 UTC · score 2
From what I read they lowered the amount of OT that’s deductible from the house bill but didn’t remove it.
u/ChevTecGroup · 2025-06-30 14:01:56 UTC · score 14
All everyone complained about was the public land sale. Which i believe was cut from the bill
u/AverageJoeJohnSmith · 2025-06-30 14:06:05 UTC · score 37
Not to mention the cuts to programs like Medicaid. one of the GOP senators from NC flat out called them out on it yesterday .
u/WannabeGroundhog · 2025-06-30 14:10:27 UTC · score 38
~12million losing healthcare overnight, from the party of 'life' and 'family values' to support taxcuts for billionaires.
u/Thee_Sinner · 2025-06-30 14:06:34 UTC · score 3
I’ve seen conflicting info that it was either cut completely or that it was reduced.
u/cope413 · 2025-06-30 14:18:51 UTC · score -14
It removes illegal aliens from receiving benefits, and enforces work requirements - which means many people who are currently receiving Medicaid benefits will no longer receive them. Your political viewpoint will dictate whether you view that as a cut or not.
u/csimonson · 2025-06-30 15:31:59 UTC · score 9
there’s lots of people on Medicaid with disabilities barring them from actually functioning as a working adult.
u/ChevTecGroup · 2025-06-30 15:53:38 UTC · score 3
Right... thats why it exempts those people
u/cope413 · 2025-06-30 15:52:04 UTC · score 4
And those would be exempted...
"The House bill specifies mandatory exemptions including all parents and caretakers (the proposed Senate language limits the parent/caretaker exemption to parents with children ages 14 and under), individuals who are “medically frail,” and individuals who are pregnant or postpartum, among others (Figure 2). The “medically frail” designation includes individuals who are blind or disabled, individuals with physical, intellectual, or developmental disabilities, individuals with substance use disorder or a “disabling” mental disorder, and those with “serious or complex” medical conditions. States may allow short-term hardship exceptions from work requirements, if requested by enrollees (or applicants) experiencing certain extenuating circumstances (Figure 2)."
It's almost as if people haven't read the bill and instead are just using the media talking points to support their political party talking points.
u/malac0da13 · 2025-06-30 16:09:17 UTC · score 4
It’s almost as if the shot isn’t hard enough to get now that it’s almost a full time job managing the pittance of benefits that they get.
u/Namk49001 · 2025-06-30 15:55:16 UTC · score 4
You need a social security number for those benefits. Illegals don't have social security numbers, unless they're not actually illegal...
u/ChevTecGroup · 2025-06-30 16:05:17 UTC · score 2
After working my high school years in a restaurant with many illegals. They definitely get SSNs. Whether they are actually theirs or not is debatable.
u/Namk49001 · 2025-06-30 16:10:18 UTC · score 3
Wouldn't you not be illegal if you have a valid SSN?
u/ChevTecGroup · 2025-06-30 16:38:48 UTC · score 3
They often used stolen SSNs to receive benefits. Including free housing and medical care. I found out because they were using them for employment.
They will also go to emergency rooms and rack up large bills that eventually get paid by the govt or absorbed by insurance holders. Costing everyone else for their being illegally in the country (aka committing a crime).
u/Namk49001 · 2025-06-30 16:54:23 UTC · score 5
Oh wow, building a system in place to keep close control over ssns would be nice then. Fraudulent use of SSNs and health care fraud are definitely the main crimes here, as being undocumented only carries a civil infraction, a similar crime class to exceeding the speed limit or jaywalking
u/cope413 · 2025-06-30 16:03:48 UTC · score 2
The CBO reported that illegal immigrants have cost over $16.2 Billion in Medicaid spending.
So take it up with the Congressional Budget Office and the House Budget Committee.
u/Namk49001 · 2025-06-30 16:09:31 UTC · score 5
Emergency care and hospital reimbursements would be my guess, or state funds (instead of federal) in states that allow it. AFAIK there is no way for them to get enrolled with a Medicaid plan, but that doesn't mean that there can't be expenses. I think the undocumented emergency/lifesaving procedures account got .2% of the expenditures in Medicaid itself
u/Thee_Sinner · 2025-06-30 14:22:14 UTC · score 4
I was only speaking about the land sales
u/fireismyfriend90 · 2025-06-30 14:57:23 UTC · score 21
Are you really so blind to everything else on that bill outside of the NFA stuff?
u/CountryMac84 · 2025-06-30 15:02:21 UTC · score -49
Nope. Love it. Have ChatGPT summarize it: https://chatgpt.com/s/t/_6862a6d346f48191980b135d85d0a64f
u/Thehusseler · 2025-06-30 15:30:23 UTC · score 38
Bro is really outsourcing his thinking to ChatGPT, of course he loves it
u/CountryMac84 · 2025-06-30 15:38:16 UTC · score -31
Better than most here taking their talking points from MSNBC.
u/Tom-a-than · 2025-06-30 16:09:46 UTC · score 18
Lol you’re making excuses for not wanting to think and look shit up well, it doesn’t matter what others are doing, that’s just smoothbrain activities my g.
Also, you haven’t addressed u/Namk49001 ‘s rather pointed comment on all the bullshit we’re getting served under the $200 cherry. FWIW
u/fireismyfriend90 · 2025-06-30 15:57:09 UTC · score 20
Bruh these aren't talking points...it's written down on that 1000 page document. Stop blinding yourself to reality and take a step out of your echo chamber, you might learn something.
u/The_Zenki · 2025-06-30 15:55:04 UTC · score 16
Low T ass take
u/Thehusseler · 2025-06-30 16:32:27 UTC · score 6
Be careful with that profile pic, might get deported
u/The_Zenki · 2025-06-30 16:40:42 UTC · score 13
My heritage bound duty is to water the Tree
u/Thehusseler · 2025-06-30 17:05:07 UTC · score 6
Your sacrifice will be remembered comrade
u/River_City_Rando · 2025-06-30 15:19:41 UTC · score 31
16 million lose Medicaid so you can save $200 on nfa items? 4 trillion added to the deficit? 1 million immigrants forcefully removed? The juice isn't worth the squeeze. But hey, atleast you get to save $200 amirite? Smfh
u/rudkinp00 · 2025-06-30 13:55:43 UTC · score 78
We are going to have to eat this shit sandwich, question is do you want it to have a cherry on top or not.
u/LostPrimer · 2025-06-30 15:02:09 UTC · score 23
This needs to be screamed from the rooftops. There is no stopping this bill. Might as well bandaid one of our thousand papercuts to prevent death.
u/Particular_Tea_1625 · 2025-06-30 22:43:05 UTC · score 5
Or how about we hound our senators and reps for a better bill AND eliminating this dumbass fee
u/csimonson · 2025-06-30 15:27:52 UTC · score 38
It only passed by one vote in the house. I doubt that the Senate will pass it.
u/The_Zenki · 2025-06-30 15:52:49 UTC · score 35
I'm willing to bet the "this bill is getting passed no matter what" weirdos have not called their reps but will stay in the mentality that nothing can be done. Weak.
u/AIR_CTRL_your_moms · 2025-06-30 16:52:34 UTC · score 12
FWIW, I’m one of those morons who continually email my senators and representatives even though they agree with me on only one subject.
Their aides are probably sick of me by now
u/AKC74Y · 2025-06-30 20:14:48 UTC · score 1
And you think that it’s a magical coincidence that it passed by a vote in the house?
The GOP is not moronic, they get how the game works. They need X number of votes and they will get X number of votes. The rest of the representatives can save face in their purple or libertarian districts by voting no.
The GOP needs this bill to pass the senate, so it will pass the senate. Republicans aren’t out to tank their own political careers and undermine the party platform over a dumb budget bill that we pass every year.
u/Aegishjalmur18 · 2025-06-30 18:44:36 UTC · score 12
As I understand it, and I can be wrong or they can ignore the law, this being a reconciliation bill means that in order to be passed with fewer than usual votes it has to be completely unchanged between house and senate. The senate has changed a bunch of shit, so even if they pass it it has to go back to the house to be voted on again. If the house changes anything then the senate has to vote on it again.
Or they could just say fuck the rules and pass it on to the demented orange.