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[-] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 91 points 3 weeks ago

40 dollars in low income countries. 28,000 dollars in the united states. The drug is made in the united states.

WTF.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 weeks ago

Makes you wonder if Trump has a point.

But thanks to RFK and Trump, there will be no more drugs like this in the future. Gilead did the trials, but 95% of the effort behind this was NIH funded. We can't even guess how many game changing drugs have been cut in 2025.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As always Trump completely misunderstands the situation. Yes there’s a point in how exepnsive drugs are in the us, especially relative to other countries. But whether it’s manufactured in the us has almost nothing to do with it.

The problem is recovering all the development costs from American patients, and more recently just charging what they think the market will bear. We have to fix the complex maze of healthcare and all the levels of profiteering, we have to fix how development costs can be recovered and most of all we need to fix charging what the market will bear. Has everyone already forgotten the outcry over insulin a few years ago. A ceo who should be in jail decided to start charging ten or twenty times the cost, because he could, because us patients are a captive market. Then got away with saying “some of you can use these coupons….”. There’s definitely a point where exploitive business practices have crossed the line and should be considered criminal acts

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

Drug development in trials costs $120-200M. Upon approval, Pharma expects $15B +.

They have proven they would rather a drug not save lives than offer lower profits.

[-] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

if a product can be sold at 10 times the profit to one fifth the people only an idiot would not rase prices ten fold

[-] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

A hell of a lot of that is funded by tax payers. They don't need to recoup money, they need to give the tax payers what they already paid for.

[-] sga@piefed.social 20 points 3 weeks ago

speaking as a indian - the reason that this is possible because we kinda ignore medical patents and formulations. (using kinda because i do not know the exact wording in law and the cooldown period).

It should also tell you about the cost of ingredients and manufacturing vs the costs you pay for "rnd for big companies" (who often build upon work done by universities which often are run by public fundiing)

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Pharmaceutical companies used to do basic research until the 90s. At this point, they are just banks who buy biotechs spun out from NIH research.

Now that NIH is gone, the industry will atrophy within a decade. There will be no new drugs.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago

Those companies spend more on advertising than RND

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

15 years on patent drugs.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I figured this would come up but you've gotta remember that drugs are expensive as hell to develop. And it just received US approval in June so it's not like they have been sitting on this making money for years.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The cost of drug development is vastly overstated as an excuse. The reality is $100-200M, but pharma expects $14B++ in returns. Little of that goes back into basic research.

The front end of costs was spent by the NIH, and after that was ended, Pharma is not taking up the slack. It's not sustainable and pharma will die in a decade.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Just because development of a single drug costs not that much does not mean you don't need to pay for failed drugs too. If many drugs die during trials someone gotta pay for that. Profitability is a better indicator for greed.

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

Gilead’s own words show they aren’t hurting in the least for profits. It’s definitely greed.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

You must look at the whole sector as failures sink companies but yes.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'd like to see some sources on those numbers, I couldn't find any of that when I searched.

[-] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

ok so US citizens are supposed to subsidize the cost of the drug for the entire planet???

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

No they arent, it's pretty imbalanced, but effectively that is what's happening.

[-] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

pretty imbalanced

I believe this would be known as an "understatement"

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