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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

But it boils down to "go back where they came from" which is the favourite of racists.

simply because somebody who you disagree with says something, doesn't mean that that argument is bad.

it's like if a nazi says that the sky is blue, then you're going to insist that it's actually green or yellow. that's just stupid.

nazis breathe too. does that make breathing bad? no, you need to agree with it and continue to breathe yourself.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah, but if a Nazi says we should send all the immigrants home, I see it for the racist shit it is.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

I mean if the axiom is "any negative about immigration is bad = racism" then yes, there's no argument against immigration that could not be racist as those two concepts would be equivalent.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's just a lot of clever words for hating foreigners. I'm not fooled by it. Apparently you are. The solution to the infrastructure problems is to build more infrastructure. Not elect a bunch of racists and let hate rule your country. Who gives a fuck where people are from? Racists. That's who. People are people.

The solution to the housing crisis is to build a vast amount of council housing, just like we did post war. It makes jobs. It boosts the economy. It removes the upwards pressure on rent and introduces downwards pressure. Who would pay through the nose for a badly maintained private rental property when there's a brand now council house at much lower rent? Landlords would have to fix the house and reduce the rent or sell - reducing upwards pressure on house prices.

So it's the government selling off council houses instead of building more and money-grabbing rich venture capital landlords that cause the housing problem, not some immigrant.

How do you solve the problems of the NHS? Recruit more doctors and nurses. How? Increase the limit on numbers in medical school in the UK (controlled by the government) and for goodness' sake, make sure all the foreign born NHS and healthcare workers feel happy, wanted and at home, because the one think the NHS can't afford is to lose the immigrant workers! Next, bring health and social care and NHS under the same funding roof, either by putting NHS into local authorities or social care under the NHS. Social care is far cheaper than the NHS and a bunch of old people can't get a place in social care because there's not enough funding for it. If it was the same pot of money, it'd be simple - build a bunch of care homes and ease pressure on the NHS. But how would you staff them? I think you're beginning to see where the answers are but you don't want to admit it.

Who gave you money problems? Rich people running corporations to extract as much money as possible from you. Not some poor immigrant.

Immigrants make our country better. Without them it would be worse. Silly racists can sound plausible without using the word "race" or "skin" or "foreigners" as much as they like but their solutions are just about racism and not about making anything better.

Trump is living out the "deport them or lock them up" policy. If you think that's all going well, move to America. Unless your skin isn't pearly white, because they'll lock you up before you can say "ironic" and certainly before you can say "habeas corpus".

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