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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

just summed up NATO support for Ukraine

[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Neither NATO nor Ukraine are Fascist so… no

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago
[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

My dude came with cherry picked receipts! I’ll tell you why you’re wrong later

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

yeah, just like NATO and Ukraine

[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

see, wasn't that hard to come clean

[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yes coming clean about not being a fascist is very easy. Because I am not one.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

just like the fascists you keep defending in this thread

[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I’ve not defended any fascists in this thread

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not interested in getting into a debate about whether Ukraine is fascist state (my official stance is "it's complicated"), but you should probably divide it cleanly into the period under a US-appointed neo-Nazi president and under a politically impotent Jewish president.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

There isn't really a clean division, because while it's true that Zelensky ran on a platform of making peace in Donbas he was also bankrolled by Kolomoisky, who's the same guy that's tight with Azov https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi

In general, banderites and other far right groups continue to have a huge amount of political power there. Lots of top officials, like Zaluzhny, are very open about it too.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's still an important distinction. A state run completely by Banderites vs a state where Banderites have considerable influence. In the former case the instigator is the entire state apparatus, in the latter case it's dark forces within the state that need to be fought against.

Anything from before the election of Zelensky can easily be brushed aside, and rightly so, as a criticism of the past state of Ukraine.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

The current state of Ukraine isn't fundamentally different. If anything, under Zelensky, opposition parties and independent media have been banned, and elections have been cancelled. Ukraine today is basically a dictatorship that's aligned with the fascist forces.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Ukraine has fascist elements, as does NATO. I don't think as a whole either are fascist but the US is overwhelmingly central to NATO and the US is 100% fascist (regardless of which party is in power).

[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I agree that the United States is on its way to being fascist yes.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

NATO support for Ukraine is summed up by a mix of "Liberal Democracies desperate cling to Rules based International Order despite hypocrisies" and "European countries with long history of being invaded and terrorized by Russia oppose countries being invaded and terrorized by Russia"

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