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What if Teslas own self driving software causes an accident/death?
Tesla is subject to some oversight by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. They recently forced a recall when they weren't satisfied with Tesla's software.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-362000-us-vehicles-over-full-self-driving-software-2023-02-16/
Maybe not ideal, but better than nothing I suppose. What oversight is a homebrew software alternative subject to?
Does Teslas still have a disclaimer that the self-driving features aren't self-driving and that if the driver is using the self driving features and there is an accident Tesla can't be held liable?
No idea, but I'd imagine so.
So it doesn't matter whatever you're using Teslas or a 3rd party software since you, as the driver, are responsible for the outcome.
If it was a matter of installing software on a laptop or phone, I'd agree with you, but installing software on a vehicle that can run over people is another matter, disclaimer or not.
Just like some cars are street legal and some cars are not, some software should be street legal and some software not. If the 3rd party software has been cleared by regulators for your Tesla, I'd be fine with it.
So you're claiming the software in Teslas have been tested and approved by the authorities?
You didn't read the article I linked? Seems they do it after the fact, which is sus imo, but authorities are exerting some level of oversight.
I did read it. They opened an investigation like 5 years after The Model S was released and people have died. Now, 6 years after that, something actually happens. 6 years of more accidents.
The same could be done with 3rd party software so there's no difference and it's not the same as the car system being regularly inspected.
I haven't followed it closely to know all the deets, but some action being taken is better than none. I'm not out here defending Tesla or current government policies. I do believe that if I have to pass a driving test to operate a vehicle, then whatever self-driving software is installed should do the same.
If you're trying to convince me that anyone should be able to take any random self driving software they found on the Internet, install it, and let it go wild on public streets, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
It seems you are trying to prove that "random software" is unsafe compared to Tesla's when you actually have no idea how safe Tesla's is.
There are multiple companies and universities developing software for self driving cars.
What if the "random software" was developed and maintained by Volvo, would you still call it "random software"? Would you still claim that Tesla's software is more safe to use?
Nope, if you look at a previous comment of mine in this thread, you'd see I'm fine with 3rd party software as long as it's been approved by regulators. Same goes for Tesla's software - if it hasn't been approved by regulators prior to deployment on the streets, I'm against it.
So you're not fine with Tesla's even?
Since there is no such testing you're talking about.