1195
I like the web app more.
(lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2023
1195 points (100.0% liked)
Memes
49725 readers
1595 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.
I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren't going to pay him and use the free version, which you're welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)
You're just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.
ya went a little too far at the end there. nothing wrong with not wanting to pay a subscription fee lol. its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
Do you think professional independent developers shouldn't be paid for their work? Do you think this kind of development is effortless?
I don't understand why people keep parroting this. The app is free. It's a professionally developed app, where the quality tradeoff is either ads (which can be blocked) or your choice of ad removal payments.
This isn't some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off. People begged him to make a version for Lemmy, and he did. He deserves to be paid for the hours and work he put in to make it happen. You can't make an app if you can't buy food or pay rent.
And if you don't like that, then don't use it. He's never pressured users into paying, and he's never suggested everyone on Lemmy should just send him money. He isn't even spamming posts advertising the app, enthusiastic users are.
Why is everyone so upset?
I'm not the one who's upset. Look at the guy I replied to. I'm literally not using the app and it's not my responsibility to support the creator lol. I'm literally just saying I'm not a cheapskate because I'm not using your paid alternative.
No one is calling you a cheapskate. It's just that when you said this:
...in context, it comes off as "Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him."
I understand what you mean now, but you worded it terribly.
And by the way, going around in the comments being unnecessarily hostile and calling people "dumbfuck" or "asshole," when they were just as confused at your poor phrasing, makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
Dude read the comment I was replying to...
I did not say any of those words. wtf. I didn't word shit terribly, you just made stuff up.
Whether or not this is passive aggressive, it sounds like it is, which makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)
He was definitely talking about people using the app and complaining that they can't have it all for free. You're not one of those people.
The original post is about someone using a free app (the web app). They check out Sync and see that it has ads and costs money otherwise, and that cost has no regional pricing (apparently). So they continue to use the web app. It's a fair complaint and it doesn't make them a cheapskate. Doesn't have anything to do with other people's choices. Doesn't mean the dev is an evil person. It's a just a bruh moment they had.
God I'm looking forward to lemmy now.
Thank you. The social dysfunction I've been seeing here is staggering.
Been here since well... Spez spez'd. So happy to have Sync for what I can use it for and the promise of full function.
He's a good dev. This is a lot of change for this poor little instance to process as a deluge of us all geeked out at one time.
We gotta donate to the server tho. Not enough to get the app.
You know why, it's because in the eyes of Lemmy users who have been here all along, launch of Sync is the start of their eternal September. I moved to reddit back in 2010 as a Digg refugee after the infamous redesign, I saw much of the same back then (down to the plethora of programming and Linux memes).
Sync isn't trying to replace all Lemmy frontends or other FOSS apps, it's trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.
People just find reasons to be upset, I swear.
If anything, the eternal September would have started when Reddit killed itself. I can't imagine people thinking it's starting now.
It's the reason lemmy is struggling, it's mainly Linux gatekeepers and foss elitists. Along with lemmy needing a slight learning period, the community just spews toxic shit relentlessly.
Complaining about a $20 purchase you don't have to make qualifies for "cheapskate" I think. Simply not purchasing it, or not wanting to purchase it, is fine. The difference is entitlement.
I think the point of this post was the lack of regional pricing, so for them it is not a $20 purchase.
I'm not calling OP entitled here. Regional pricing is good and they seem to be adding it now. I'm talking about some of the more vocal opponents of the app's pricing.
If you don't need it just don't buy it. You're bitching about someone wanting money for their hard work.
dumbfuck i wasnt the one bitching. read what i wrote asshole
I see more aspects of reddit have made it here. great.
I truly feel at home
Not to mention, there are still a bunch of free options in other apps. Voyager, Memmy, modem, liftoff!, etc. Use one of those if you’re too cheap to pay for someone else’s work, yknow?
I FUCKING ALREADY AM
WHY DOES NOT BUYING SYNC MAKE ME CHEAP? Look! A guy made an app that costs money! What? You don't want to use it? You're cheap!
I mean…I don’t use it. But I’m not the one bitching about $20.
i never bitched about $20. its so funny how many times i had to explain this. i didnt use the app because i already had a free app that i dont pay for. i see no reason to use the paid app. somehow that completely reasonable decision makes me a "cheapskate". I dont even know how you could read what I just said and think that reply would make sense.
It's a one-time $20. It's literally in the meme were both commenting on.
Irrelevant to my point but either way I saw other posts about a subscription.
He didn't go too far. It is a broad and overbearing, but generally accurate statement.
How? I don't want to pay for an app when I have one that satisfies my needs for free.That doesn't make me a cheapskate. I was using this before Sync was even available. I can express my opinions about it too. I don't think it's worth the money when the service is already free and I don't like it's tactics to make you pay. But again, why would I care if someone paid for Sync? I'm not going to call all Sync users money wasters. Clearly they found value in it. People who didn't aren't just cheapskates
It's the implication that the sync dev is doing something nefarious by charging to remove ads from the free app they developed.
I didn't imply that. I don't like the ad model and I think it's bad for people. How many times are people going to try to make this dev sound like the most humble person ever. The poor dev made this free app and you wont support them. Dude can and already has made money. I'm not saying not to support independent devs. I'm saying I don't like the model and that's my fucking choice to not use it. I'm fine with Jerboa and I'm not a cheapskate because I wasn't convinced to use Sync. This is the most bizarre opposition I've ever faced.
Nothing works for "free" they ask for donations. And just cuz you don't wanna use an app doesn't make it useless or an app "we don't need". Also there's not "tactics" to make you pay, guy's just asking you to pay to remove ads, they made the app, it's their choice how it should work. You're not expected to buy it or use it, it's just out there as an option if you want to.
It is free, in both meanings of the word. Donations are donations. I didn't say it was useless and by "we" i mean all the people that guy called cheapskate. They are tactics. Never said it wasn't their choice. For the last time, I don't use the fucking app. That doesn't make me a cheapskate. This is the most ridiculous comment section. The original guy was shitting on others for NOT using the app. I don't fucking caaaare what people use. Good lord.
The major issue for some is regional pricing. Where I'm from lifetime costs around $110 in regional currency
He was implementing regional pricing this morning and looks like that should be happening today and tomorrow. I think that's part of the reason so many people love Sync since the dev is ultra responsive.
As far as I've read, that price is for both no ads and Ultra which I guess gives you more perks). For just no ads it is significantly less. For no ads in my version it's $30CAD, which is a high price but is much much less than $100+CAD
Someone correct me but IIRC the Reddit Is Fun paid version costed way less that 20$.
I hope they release Lemmy Is Fun or something.
Sync for reddit was also cheaper, but the market for a reddit app is much larger than Lemmy's. We'll see how boost and others will be priced, but I expect it will be pricier than the reddit version.
The RIF dev ended up going with some non-federated reddit alternative. I get it, probably a much less flooded market (we already have so many options for Lemmy). But a bummer nonetheless.
The RIF dev recently released an alpha for his Tildes app, Three Cheers for Tildes. It's in an earlier state than Sync but already quite usable.
You got the money, you do you. His hardwork have nothing to do with how much i'm willing to pay lol, the end result is what i pay for, and it's not worth the price to me.
He doesn't deserve any reward for making spyware/adware garbage. His app is at odds with the ethos of lemmy. Fuck your ad hominem.
Lol spyware 🤣🤣
Do you work for free?
You can maneuver all you want, it is spyware. My hobby work is free. I don't track my users nor do I inundate them with ads. I believe that's unethical.
My work work is not available for free in any capacity whatsoever.
@drekly @Plswrk, nobody needs to work for free, but creating incommings by spying the user to sell his data to third party isn't an acceptable way to gain money. There are a lot of methodes to gain money in the network, but with surveillance advertising spyware is the worse and with big risks for the user, which can't control where his personal data ends up.
He just put ads in his app mate. He's not in the CIA
@drekly, simple ads are not a problem, if they are based on the content of the page and not based on user logs. Ads as is only can be somewhat annoying if there a lot in the page or they appears in the middle of a concert in YT, but no are a risk for the user privacy, no more than a commercial poster in the street or an ad in TV. As with all, bad the abuse. Years ago you saw 1-2 banners in a page, but novadays you must seek the webcontent between advertisings, banners, cookieadvices and popups
Lol wow... Get off your high horse there. I didn't ask for Sync for Lemmy, so why should I pay for it? I'm perfectly happy with the many other free apps that are in development.
It's weird to think people are using the web app on mobile, though... Like... Why? There are so many great free options! Like, seriously... More than half a dozen!
Did someone say you had to? Or that you even have to use the app?
Actually you'd be surprised how much ads can pull in. In a well optimized site you can make around $5 per user per month