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For months, Google has maintained that the web is “thriving,” AI isn’t tanking traffic, and its search engine is sending people to a wider variety of websites than ever. But in a court filing from last week, Google admitted that “the open web is already in rapid decline” (with regard to advertising, kinda-sorta)

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[-] Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

That’s not an argument. I don’t need to speculate on hypotheticals when reality already proves the point.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 3 points 3 weeks ago

The internet would not have existed without government investment. Back when the idea of the internet was being floated around in the early 1960s the US government did contact every major telecom company in the country snd all flat out refused meaning the government had to publically foot the bill (and the work).

No, capitalists would never, ever have invented the internet.

[-] Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

And I never said that they invented the internet.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 3 weeks ago

No, but you implied it, and you also implied that the reason we have it grow as it did is because of the government. This is bullshit. Capitalists did not invent that or the system anymore than they would have invented telegraphy, radio, telephones, and other such stuff. Even shit like the telephone was done initially out of a 'hey do you think it can be done?' by Alexander Graham Bell (And yes, I am sure you will bring up Elisha Grey and the race to the patent office, but even that is irrelevant).

[-] Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

I’ve made my case, and I never said that. What you do with this information is up to you.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

You are speculating on hypotheticals though, since no one can know for certain how things would have unfolded in a different world.

I'm not even going to argue that capitalism doesn't get you some positive outcomes for certain people.

[-] Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

How am I speculating when my argument is based on reality?

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

You're speculating that an internet wouldn't have emerged without capitalism. Capitalism exists, therefore we can't know if that's true or not.

[-] Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly, we can’t know if that’s true or not, but we do know it emerged in reality because of capitalism. That’s all we need to make a case for capitalism, since real-life examples always outweigh imaginary ones.

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