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Incandescent light bulbs are officially banned in the U.S.::America’s ban on incandescent light bulbs, 16 years in the making, is finally a reality. Well, mostly.

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[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 72 points 1 year ago

I've been in the industry for over a decade and I find it fascinating how much lighting has changed in that time. When LEDs were first available, they were $60+ per bulb. Now you can get multipacks for under $10. Also, CFL bulbs were almost universally hated by everyone (and for good reason) now we no longer sell them. We strictly sell LEDs for regular lighting and we still sell incandescent specialty bulbs. Also, when LEDs first arrived there was a lot of distain for them, especially by the elderly. They wanted their energy wasting incandescent bulbs dammit! It seems the majority of them have come around because they've learned that LEDs are better.

[-] xradeon@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago

I think the main issue with initial Led bulbs was their color was wrong. Incandescent bulbs emit light at 2700K, a nice warm white. Early LEDs emitted light at more like 5000K or there abouts, which is a really white light. Same with CFLs. Elderly people didn't like that at all. Honestly it wasn't just them, lots of people hated them for their too white of light.

Today you can get LEDs that are 2700K and/or are adjustable to what ever color you want.

[-] Shogun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Any recommendations? I've struggle with LED light color temp off and on over the years. I haven't looked into it in a while though. It always seems like if you want a low color temp it has to be an edison bulb which is really dim.

On a separate note I've also had reliability issues with LED bulbs where they will blow out and emit smoke.

[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Look for colour names like "soft white" or "warm". The 2700K is a dead give away for the colour you're looking for.

Also, separate note: check your appliances or fixtures for power spikes. cheaper LEDs are notoriously sensitive to voltage fluctuations

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[-] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago

Also it became a political issue as all things should be somehow

[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 5 points 1 year ago

Yes. Many of the people that objected also wore MAGA hats. I think the whole idea was that it was better for the environment and you know what that means.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

I specifically remember trump saying something about bringing back yellow light 😮‍💨

[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

The most amazing thing to me - I’ve been using leds for 10+ years, and I think I’ve had to replace one or two of them. It is a wonder that prices can come down with demand dwindling so much.

[-] Jayb151@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Man, I remember as a kid we had a box of bulbs for when inevitably one burnt out each month or so. Now, I have a drawer with a bunch of led bulbs I'll never use because they don't burn out!

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Seriously, I have whichever ones were remaining in the boxes when we finished populating all our fixtures. Haven’t replaced one ever.

[-] LiquorFan@pathfinder.social 7 points 1 year ago

I remember when I was a kid, it seemed like we had to change the light bulbs every other month. Now I'm annoyed because these things last so long I don't keep any spares and I have to leave my house to buy one when it expires!

[-] wmassingham@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I can't remember ever having to replace a dead LED bulb. And only a few CFLs. But I remember replacing incandescents all the time when I was a kid.

[-] jiji@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

In my old apartment I lived in for 6 years I must have had a faulty kitchen light that did something to the bulbs because I changed LEDs in that like more than once a year, but none of the other lights I changed. Granted I also turned on that light way more than the overhead bedroom light so idk. But I definitely killed quite a few LEDs.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Pretty much the worst wear and tear on most electronics comes from power cycling.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

This... Doesn't seem right? Dimmable LEDs are switched hundreds of times a second as would the resistors and other components in series with them. Computers turn on and off transistors (mosfets) millions of times per second. Dude flipping a switch a few times isn't close to that.

Heat is the worst enemy of most electronics. Many LEDs are put in places where heat is not dissipated well which can shorten life span.

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[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My LED burn outs were almost certainly defective, not normal wear.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

I had to replace an LED bulb a few months ago and I remember being annoyed because they did only lasted five years.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As energy and maintenance go down, the popularity of lighting goes up—so maybe the decrease in sales of replacement bulbs has been offset by an increase in the total number of bulbs in use.

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 13 points 1 year ago

Is there a brand that's better for LED? I get migraines and the stroking effect of LED bulbs can be a trigger.

LED christmas bulbs particularly bad. It felt like walking into a rave at the Christmas store.

[-] anlumo@feddit.de 27 points 1 year ago

Regular brand LED bulbs don't strobe at all, only the very cheap ones from AliExpress and the resellers of Chinese crapware (like Walmart) do. IKEA has some nice and cheap bulbs, for example.

[-] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, many of those christmas lights use pulse width modulation to control brightness and it is very noticeable. I hope that gets changed over for an analog voltage dimmer soon.

[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Also, cheap ones run directly on AC, so they flicker at 60 Hz (50 in Europe) because the current is only flowing for half the cycle.

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[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I’ve never been disappointed with Philips. However, I have no doubt there are tons of exceptionally good quality products out there from various brands.

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

There are LEDs with CCD power converter. I got one 10 years ago and tested it with a 240 fps camera, no flicker at all. I will not recommend a brand because it's been years,but search for "ccd led bulb".

Also there's a number called CRI, indicating how well it represents colors. This also may contribute to your headaches. 85 or higher is good, 90 is great. Just don't trust these numbers on Amazon, the cheapest of cheap crap is marketed as " cri 90+" there.

Or scratch what I just said and find a small store that specializes in lighting and ask the clerk (or email them).

[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 1 points 1 year ago

I honestly couldn't tell you. Its been so long since I purchased LEDs and the ones I bought were from the company I work for. They have worked well for me but I don't know if any brand is better than another.

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[-] danielbln@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That, but also change happens one funeral at a time.

[-] cazsiel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It seems the majority of them have come around because they’ve ~~learned that LEDs are better.~~

died

they died

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[-] messem10@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Now you can go into pretty much any thrift store and get a whole box of them for like $5-10.

[-] EverStar289@citizensgaming.com 1 points 1 year ago

This is why I don't support overreach in regulation.

Put a tax on it or something, but a full ban seems excessive. Now that most people understand that LEDs are superior, they are cheaper, and there are more options, most people will make the switch.

[-] qyron@lemmy.pt 4 points 1 year ago

No really. A lot of people, even when shown proof, out of simple spite just double down on their position.

When energy saving and early LED bulbs started to be deployed in my country, while the fade out of incandescent bulbs was put in place, we had runs for buying every single incandescent bulb available. The change was not welcome. Even if changing meant real, objective, tangible savings.

People would put in large orders for bulbs, arguing they wanted to "have proper lighting as long has they lived". Luckily, the stocks quickly ran out and some distributors simply refused to pass the stocks to the market.

A government cutting off a product is not overreach: it's forcing change that otherwise would not happen, for the better.

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[-] qyron@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago

No really. A lot of people, even when shown proof, out of simple spite just double down on their position.

When energy saving and early LED bulbs started to be deployed in my country, while the fade out of incandescent bulbs was put in place, we had runs for buying every single incandescent bulb available. The change was not welcome. Even if changing meant real, objective, tangible savings.

People would put in large orders for bulbs, arguing they wanted to "have proper lighting as long has they lived". Luckily, the stocks quickly ran out and some distributors simply refused to pass the stocks to the market.

A government cutting off a product is not overreach: it's forcing change that otherwise would not happen, for the better.

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