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This article is fucking crazy, what the hell is wrong with Sweden now?
Since when are there Swede rappers? That is weird enough in itself.
I get that drugs are largely the issue, but these people live in a country with a laundry list of social welfare programs that most people could only dream of. Free healthcare, free education at all levels, and a boatload of economic support initiatives for people in poverty. They literally are living life on easy mode compared to the rest of the poor people in the world for the most part. Why do they turn to drugs in the first place? It clearly shouldnt be out of hopelessness for their situation…
Also, by this quote it makes it seem that the lead subject of the article didnt even do anything ruthless herself at all:
So she “chose to shoot the guy in the head” as in she chose to have some dude shoot the guy in the head.
This whole situation is ridiculous. It seems like there is some underlying culture glorifying the violence that occurs in countries where people dont have any of what the Swedes have available to them. None of them need to deal drugs to survive, or commit acts of violence. None of them even need to be using drugs out of hopelessness for their future. Its like the equivalent of suburban American kids with college funds wanting to be gangbangers because they think its cool. Fucking stupid
Unless something drastic has happened in just 2025 that isn't reflected in the data yet, the actual murder rate in Sweden hasn't really changed much in the past 30 years. It's high by Nordic standards, middle of the road for European standards, and low by global standards. Sweden is still just a normal country with normal human problems, even if it is very prosperous and has a lot of sensible government policies
That there are Swedish rappers definitely isn't that weird either. I don't even enjoy rap and I've heard of a Greenlandic rapper. I've got a Togolese metal band on my main playlist. There was a Black American blues singer who went to Tuva in Russia to learn throat singing and got nicknamed "Earthquake" becauseof how low his voice was. People like music from all over
To be clear, this was a choice. The amount of disinvestment since the 80s in social housing, schooling and other social programs has been truly remarkable.
This is largely bullshit in my experience - people use it as a convenient explanation for what can adequately be explained by other forces
There's no intentional isolation on the part of immigrants as much as there's a diminishing social housing stock/social housing being sold out to slumlords.
People don't intentionally select high crime areas to live in - they are not given the option to live somewhere else.
Using kids for gang hits is common in other places as well, because kids get more lenient sentences in other places too. See the U.S for an example on this trend being present earlier in history.
100% agree. This started with Feldt's "Framtid för Sverige" which started the shift towards privatization arguing that labor costs were unsustainable. Then deregulation of investment and real-estate markets in the 90s and finally the removal of arvsskatt (2004) and förmögenhetsskatt (2007) there were enormous leaps in wealth inequality at the same time as sapping the tax coffers which had built all the social programs it was known for.
I assume you're implying racism. There's absolutely latent racism in there as well. But even if you look like a Swede, speak swedish, but have an accent or dress in a way that stands out or break some of the other tenants of jantelagen people will steer away. People of non-european descent just have it 10x harder.
I wasn't saying it was completely intentional, I was saying it was part of the insular nature of Swedes. If you're talking about kommun housing then I agree, that's procedural, but it does require someone who knows the process. But if you want to rent second-hand, you need to meet that person and if you're not a Swede many people will require a Swede to vouch for you.
Its just new in the sense that it's the first time for Swede to have experienced it.
I wasn't primarily implying racism, but it's probably part of the equation. I was moreso thinking about other forces mentioned in my reply, like the very large issue of complete housing market malfunction.
I get the feeling that this might be a more rural attribute, but that might be my personal experience just being different.
I think this is just another aspect of the housing crisis being the everything crisis - there's no real need for second hand renting in a paradigm of complete housing abundance, as we had at the end of Miljonprogrammet.
I think the Nordic countries get held up as these utopias when that's actually far from the truth. I have a Swedish friend on a disability pension, and I'm also on the same sort of pension here in Australia. She gets a bit less than half of what I do a month. It's not like she has other social programs that make up for it really either. We both have access to similar healthcare, I think I'm paying less for meds, I have much better disability insurance covering other things like support work and mobility aids.
I think some people just have this false impression of places like Sweden. I guess they look pretty great if you're from the US but yeah...
Plus they have basically taxed alcohol out of use. Gotten rid of paper money, there is a lot to be desired.
I have been brewing my own for a few years now, drinking moderately every day this year all homebrewed for the most part. It is so much cheaper. And less running to the store. Plus there is no record of you being a frequent user of alcohol when you brew it yourself. Which in the US could very well be used against you on me law enforcement Information Network they use.
It doesn't really. The only smuggling is for yourself in form of alcohol tourism where those living close to borders drive across and stock up on it.
Alcohol is still available in Sweden, just more expensive. Hardly anyone turns to the black market to get like 30% off.
This is not accurate whatsoever, Sweden has similar levels of alcohol consumption per capita to Spain, where alcohol is not expensive.
It is accurate that it is tax really heavy. Is it just in a bar or all together? But it is like 10 euros a beer or something I read.
Alcohol is taxed significantly in bars and outside.
A beer in the alcohol monopoly store - the only place that can legally sell alcohol surpassing 3.5% ABV - starts at about 10 SEK, approximately 1 EUR/USD.
A beer in a bar starts at perhaps 40 SEK, if you go to a really cheap place. Upscale places charge higher prices accordingly, with prices around 100 SEK not being uncommon.
To cope with the prices, a culture of pre-gaming has evolved in Sweden, so that you don't have to break the bank once you're out drinking.
Oh that is not so bad I was led to believe it was much higher even in the bars. You would be hard pressed to find beer for less than four or five dollars a bar now in the US. A little less than $2 a beer in the store for high quality IPA, 20 bucks for 12. I brew my own though.
Meh, Australia is the same on both these counts, though alcohol is still very heavily used. Those things are objectively less of a pawblem than welfare programs not being liveable.
>account less than a day old
>it's immigrant's fault
yeah,,, alright bestie
I mean, I know it's not popular but Hitler had a legitimate point... /S
Gross
I can't find where I called you one.
Bestie, surely you realise that new accounts are the most likely to be trolls? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, hence why the app I use (Voyager) shows you the account age <30 days in the first place.
What are you even trying to imply here? Rap has been a thing in Sweden for decades, what's weird about it?
We've been dealing with rising inequality in Sweden for the last ~50 years. We've also had large amounts of immigration, with these immigrants in many ways having become second class citizens, getting concentrated into the diminishing stock of social housing/slum lord-controlled areas. We also have an unusually restrictive policy against drugs, the sales of which then becoming one of the few lucrative options for someone growing up in a poor area.
It's similar motivations to what happens in the U.S - if you're poor, some of the only realistic options for making it big from your perspective is either a career in professional sports (see Zlatan Ibrahimovic) or drugs (see various gang bosses)
It's not necessarily that they pursue these "careers" out of a need to fuel a drug addiction, although that may certainly become a motivation for maintaining it - along with the threat of violence if leaving.
Some of the largest consumers of drugs in Sweden are the richest people, having lots of money to spend on cocaine. Again, a similar situation to the U.S in many ways here.
I expect that this might me due to functional police and criminal investigation systems. Less functional countries, which are in the majority, will likely fail to find the right perpetrator, fail to report on it, blame the crime on the wrong person, ignore the crime, etc.
Those suburban kids emulate street gangs while the leaders of those street gangs emulate the fathers of those suburban kids in the corporate structure.