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Toxic masculinity is wrong masculinity
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What is positive masculinity? I don't see any way to say that one gender is good at something without implying the others are worse.
It seems unimportant to me, like handedness.
I think there are some differences, like not being able to use scissors normally or comfortably writing, especially with wet ink. Also using the same workstation as my right handed colleagues is often annoying.
Don't care much for differences of the sexes. But left handedness is a fucking pain.
But like gender, these challenges are due to social conventions designed around right-handed people, not something inherently better.
Hmmm. Yeah i don't know. For example my bar is all built for right handed people, just because it makes more sense for me to bend a little. But wed never bend someones gender to accommodate better to our bar.
yeah, i don't see a point to make a lot of these traits about masculinity per se but i'm not particularly invested in labels
There are differences between genders. You can talk about those without saying one is better than the other.
That sounds like neutral masculinity.
Our precivilization hunter gatherer ancestors saw the role of man as protector and woman as nurturer. It doesn't mean women can't protect and men can't nurture but I think that's a fair starting point.
How we define ourselves is important, especially that puts so much emphasis on these gender tropes. Humans have put emphasis on these tropes since the dawn of their existence. The least we can do is have them be associated with positive attributes.
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Here's mine: Woman the Hunter: The Physiological Evidence, peer-reviewed and published: https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/aman.13915 and filled to the wazoo with citations to other papers that dismantle this 1966 myth.
Note: in view of the first item, this is not an invitation for you to respond. That would be against the rules. This is an invitation for you to update your badly outdated notions of anthropology to something that was actually done with physical evidence after 1966 (which is when this toxic protector/nurturer divide was first introduced).
Yours is a Western centric / exlusionary stance in my opinion. I encourage review of literature on Indigineous worldview, particularly Restoring the Kinship Worldview: Indigenous Voices Introduce 28 Precepts for Rebalancing Life on Planet Earth. Pertinent to the topic are chapter 6 (High Respect for the Sacred Feminine) and chapter 7 (Respect for Gender Role Fluidity).
Out of respect to the community I will leave it at that. But when youre ready to take on a more inclusionary / open mindset, I'd be happy to continue the discussion in a more appripriate space :)
Since you couldn't read two very simple words, I rather doubt there's very much productive conversation we could have on any topic.