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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

Yes, that's correct. A standing army in peacetime was not only something that the founders feared, they explicitly put a two year cap on the appropriations needed to fund it. Obviously that's been ignored since before the ink dried.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

they explicitly put a two year cap on the appropriations needed to fund it.

I'm not sure I understand what that means, my English isn't perfect. Does it mean that 2 years after the creation of an army, it has to be resolved?

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My apologies! The other reply gave the correct answer, but for more detail: "appropriations" is basically just the government word for "budget." For most appropriations, the Congress can theoretically decide on the budget for many years into the future, but for the military they are supposed to only authorize two years at a time. The bottom line is, during peacetime, the US isn't supposed to have a standing professional military.

The government also ignores the part in the Second Amendment about how the right to own guns requires gun ownership to be well-regulated and tied to participation in a militia (which is an army made up of people who are trained, armed, and ready to fight in defense of the country, but do a different job when there's not an active conflict). That's supposed to be our national defense strategy, not having the largest and most well-funded standing peacetime military the world has ever known.

Now, I don't know how realistic that model is for the modern state of war. It's tough to have a militia air force, for instance. But if we had followed the law even just a little bit more, I think the world would be better off.

(Edit: I just noticed that you used the word "militia" in your original question. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound patronizing. Just trying to define potentially unfamiliar terms.)

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 hours ago

That is why America has never had any peace time longer than two years, I suppose.. 🤔

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Actually, technically speaking, the US hasn't been in a formal war since World War II ended in 1947. Yes, there have been military actions more or less continuously since then, but no declared wars. Which is a stupid distinction to make, but it is a distinction.

Anyway, in case I wasn't clear: it's not the declared war that matters, but the two years. There aren't supposed to be any army appropriations that last longer than two years (with the expectation that no war would last that long anyway, and if it did that congress would be motivated to continue funding it). The idea is that a standing army should be impossible in peacetime. A navy is fine--Article 1, Section 8, Clause 13 allows for a standing navy--but clause 12 prohibits appropriations lasting longer than two years, and clauses 15 & 16 give them the militias of the states as the bulwark against "insurrections" and "invasions." (Unfortunately, it does also give Congress the right to use the militia in the pursuit of "execut[ing] the laws of the union," which is terrifying in a lot of ways.)

And actually, I was glib about "since before the ink was dry," but actually we fought every war of the 19th Century with mostly volunteers. A small army (only about 800 soldiers, at the start) was kept to guard frontier forts and national harbor batteries; in time of war, the militias were called up and formed the army (though the word "militia" fell out of use in favor of "National Guard" after the Civil War). Even after World War I, when the draft had ballooned the Army's size from 140,000 to almost 2.5 million, the drawdown began shortly after the war ended, and it was back down to near its prewar numbers by 1920. Around that time, our army was 190,000 strong, making it one of the smaller armies in the world; some estimates put it around 19th in size. When Hitler invaded Poland, the US Army was smaller than Portugal's.

But World War II was the turning point. The US Army grew to over eight million soldiers between 1939 and 1945, and though they were demobilized dramatically quickly (some historians say too quickly), the size of the Army hasn't dropped much below a half-million since. And that size standing military is tough to justify with just guarding harbor batteries; there aren't any more frontier forts, so if you maintain appropriations for more than 500,000 active duty soldiers every two years for almost a century, I think the founders would have some issues with that.

[-] frezik 21 points 1 day ago

It means it's only funded for two years, but Congress can keep reauthorizing it when it comes up.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago
[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 15 hours ago

I mean at this point it would be pretty amazing move to stop funding it just like that. Since it has been an institution taken for granted for so long it would throw things into chaos

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