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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 130 points 6 days ago

Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

Disputable.

  • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
  • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
  • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
  • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 86 points 6 days ago

I liked the whole not having to charge headphones thing more than anything.

[-] tomiant@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I liked being able to accidentally brush up against my headphones or putting them down for a moment without them turning off my music.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago

i'm a musician, have a trained ear and even with mild tinnitus have yet to see any BT audio transmission that matches the fidelity of cables.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

That aspect did pop into my head but I am not qualified to comment as I never use any wireless headsets, nor are my ears trained enough for fully appreciating hi-fi quality.

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Missed a few things.

  • They are cable-less, thus they use a battery and have a shorter lifespan
  • The batteries they use are generally not user replaceable so they turn into e-waste rather quickly
  • Due to the reduced bluetooth bandwidth, call quality is crap
  • Sound quality is worse than a wired headphone that costs the same
[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately

Not a major drawback, IMO.

they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

True, but I haven't lost any in the something like 6 years I've been using them.

bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

What's your threat model? Who's going to be attacking your security via your headphones? What happens if they succeed?

IMO this is a pretty ridiculous drawback, it's like saying "wired headphones are worse because the wire can be used as a garrote", which is true, but not an actual drawback for 99.999% of people.

transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

So what?

IMO the drawbacks of wired headphones are:

  • The cable often gets tangled, and it's a pain in the ass to untangle it
  • The cable can often get snagged on things, and if that happens the best thing that can happen is that the headphones can go flying out of your ears. The worst thing that can happen is that the phone goes flying out of your pocket and smashes on the ground.
  • The cables can get dirty and frayed, and if they get too frayed they can break or get worn down so they have an iffy connection.
  • Even when the cable isn't tangled, just arranging the wire so it's out of the way, long enough to get to your ears, but not so long it gets tangled can be frustrating.
  • Trying to use your phone for anything else while your headphones are attached can be a problem. Say you want to take a picture of something, or pay for something using NFC, you have to be careful of the cable. If you had the cable tucked into your shirt or zipped up in your jacket so it's out of the way, now the cable might not be long enough anymore.
  • Because of the wire, you're limited in where you can put your phone, and your head has to always be within a short distance to your phone. With a wireless headset you can choose to put the phone in a knapsack if that's more convenient, and when you put down the knapsack you can take a few steps away from it without losing your connection and interrupting whatever you're listening to.
  • If you're doing something like working in the kitchen while listening to music or a podcast, you can't put your phone down on the counter and use it to look at a recipe, because as soon as you have to move to go get another ingredient, or to move from the cutting board to the sink, you have to pick the phone up again. And that can be a real issue if you have goop on your hands and you're moving to the sink to wash them off.
  • In cold weather / winter you might want to have your phone in a jacket or something. If you go inside and take the jacket off you either have to pause things while you transfer the phone to another pocket and rearrange the wire, or you have to do this complicated dance where you clear the wire and move the phone without accidentally yanking the wire out of the phone or out of your ears. With a wireless headset you just take the phone and move it to a new pocket whenever that's convenient.
  • ~~The headphone wire is a potential personal security vulnerability as a ninja can use it to garrote you.~~

The drawbacks for a wireless headset are:

  • They tend to have batteries that can't be replaced, so eventually they lose their ability to hold a charge and need to be replaced. It can get really annoying to use them when the batteries are starting to fail and they hold less than an hour of charge.
  • They tend to be much more expensive than wired headphones.
  • Wireless buds are easier to lose, and easier to drop. If you drop them they can bounce and roll under things, or into the street or who knows where.
  • They do eventually run out of charge, and you do have to charge them, and sometimes they can be low on charge / out of charge when you want to use them.
  • There's a fair amount of lag, which can be annoying when you're trying to skip commercials on podcasts and so-on.
[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago

First of all, you're forgetting that the actual problem is that the headphone jack does not require you remove bluetooth from the device. The issue here is giving user less options and more costly "solutions".

The cable often gets tangled, and it's a pain in the ass to untangle it

Git gud. It's not that hard to roll up the cable so that it doesn't tangle. Worst case scenario, you can buy a small case.

The cable can often get snagged on things, and if that happens the best thing that can happen is that the headphones can go flying out of your ears. The worst thing that can happen is that the phone goes flying out of your pocket and smashes on the ground.

Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

The cables can get dirty and frayed, and if they get too frayed they can break or get worn down so they have an iffy connection.

Use headphones with a replaceable wire. That way you can use a cable with or without a mic or use different lentghs. Hell, you can even make your own and they're cheap. Even if the wire isn't easily replaceable, most headphones can be fixed with a bit of patience and a soldering iron.

Even when the cable isn't tangled, just arranging the wire so it's out of the way, long enough to get to your ears, but not so long it gets tangled can be frustrating.

You're just doing mental gymnastics at this point.

Trying to use your phone for anything else while your headphones are attached can be a problem. Say you want to take a picture of something, or pay for something using NFC, you have to be careful of the cable. If you had the cable tucked into your shirt or zipped up in your jacket so it's out of the way, now the cable might not be long enough anymore.

Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

Because of the wire, you're limited in where you can put your phone, and your head has to always be within a short distance to your phone. With a wireless headset you can choose to put the phone in a knapsack if that's more convenient, and when you put down the knapsack you can take a few steps away from it without losing your connection and interrupting whatever you're listening to.

Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

If you're doing something like working in the kitchen while listening to music or a podcast, you can't put your phone down on the counter and use it to look at a recipe, because as soon as you have to move to go get another ingredient, or to move from the cutting board to the sink, you have to pick the phone up again. And that can be a real issue if you have goop on your hands and you're moving to the sink to wash them off.

My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen. Lose the headphones.

In cold weather / winter you might want to have your phone in a jacket or something. If you go inside and take the jacket off you either have to pause things while you transfer the phone to another pocket and rearrange the wire, or you have to do this complicated dance where you clear the wire and move the phone without accidentally yanking the wire out of the phone or out of your ears. With a wireless headset you just take the phone and move it to a new pocket whenever that's convenient.

Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 points 4 days ago

Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily

Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world?

You're either trolling or you've never used wired headphones. Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone. It's the same thing when you disconnect a bluetooth headphone.

You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise?

Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.

First you have to stop whatever you're listening to or you start playing it on a speaker for everyone. Doing that is an annoyance that you don't need to put up with if you just use wireless headphones.

Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone

Maybe it does today, I don't know, I haven't used wired headphones in many years. Back in the day it didn't.

Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.

If you are kitchen is quiet, you really should be using the fan to get the smoke and food smells out of the kitchen. Maybe if you're just making pop-tarts then it isn't a big deal, but if you actually ever do any serious cooking you'll discover that it gets loud.

Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.

Why are you so scared of the modern world? Is it that you're too confused by it all? Can't handle touchscreens? Scared by https? It's ok man, just take a course. You'll learn to live in the present, not the past.

[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separatel

If you wish for ANC you'll need a battery anyway, and most people do want ANC these days

they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

I'm loosing my wired headphone far more often, for a simple reason: wireless ones having a battery allows me to make them beep, given they are near, of course.

bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

Sure, and so are wired headphone as they act as an antenna, broadcasting to anyone with an appropriate receptor anything you say and/or hear.
As for the implementation vulnerabilities, at least it can be patched.

transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

Sure, but is it that much of a problem? It would take years (if not decades) of constant listening to even use a dollar of electricity for wireless headphones. Even if you factor the data transmission from the phone into that.
And wired headphone are not energy neutral either. They works by pulling energy from the phone battery.

I prefer the wireless headphones ease of use to headphone I have to untangle every time I want to use them. I keep my wired ones for home uses.

[-] wildone@rekabu.ru 28 points 6 days ago

You can have both or you can deny people who like wired. You are choosing denial.

[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Those who like wired aren't out of option either. Adapters exists, are cheap, and have often a far better audio quality than integrated ports due to not being as size constrained as the main body itself, and being further from interferences. You can quite easily find some that allows to charge your phone at the same time (even if the usb-c norm do not allows it on paper).

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

BT 6.1 introduced Randomized RPA (Resolvable Private Address) which should help with some of the security issues. That said I wouldn’t expect to see headphones implementing 6.1 for quite some time. It just came out in May.

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago
  • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately

I'll give you that, but my bone conduction headset lasts a few days with the amount I use

  • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

Meh. I've put corded earbuds in my pocket and probably worn them out faster that way. Bluetooth headsets I tend to leave on (much to my wife's annoyance) and that makes them last longer in my experience.

  • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

Aha, that van outside must be tapping into me listening to The Dandy Warhols! I knew it! (In all seriousness, if security is that critical you probably shouldn't be doing whatever it is over WiFi, which is pretty much unavoidable with a phone)

  • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

Are we really talking about saving energy here? That's like... Moisture in the bucket levels. Not even a drop in the bucket

[-] Wildmimic@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I agree with you, even if you are downvoted. I've wrecked more in-ear buds by (non-replaceable) broken cable than i can count, while i'm on my 3rd bluetooth headphone in about 10 years - i lost none of them, and the second one is still around as backup.

The security is a thing that can be patched if it pops up and is only an issue if your OPSEC differs strongly from the common citizen, and the energy argument comes across like a purity test - the light in my fridge probably uses more energy.

I would never go back to cable, especially since noise cancelling doesn't work without a battery anyway - and i am very unhappy without noise cancelling.

Also, i have a power bank where i can use 21600 Li-ion Battery cells as power source (and it doubles as charger for those cells) - on travels i take a few batteries with me, and even if i find myself for weeks without power, i will have it whenever i need it.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I have two devices, one is my phone, and one only plays music. I only ever use my phone as my phone, and my music device as my music device in my car, and both run over Bluetooth.

It is a crapshoot as to which role my car will assign to which device. Sometimes I have to put my phone in airplane mode so that the car won't try to assign it the media player role in Bluetooth settings. I'm not impressed.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

check the Bluetooth settings on your phone. on mine, I can disallow roles that a peripheral could get, like media audio, phone calls, etc

[-] Patches@ttrpg.network 5 points 6 days ago

That has a lot more to do with the car itself.

If you ever want to talk about a shit OS...

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