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Hi, I'm a medical scientist who has worked in labs doing animal research. Let me tell you this – it's the fucking Wild West for all practical purposes. The stuff some labs get away with is DISGUSTING and gives me nightmares.
I'm not a conservative, but I'm glad Ford is doing this, and I commend his bravery in doing so. Fuck all of the so-called scientists who do sick experiments on sentient high-order animals.
The worst part is, 90% of the time, the research questions can be answered using mice – or sometimes without using animals at all. The reason we cling to animal research is because if we didn't, a lot of (very sick) scientists would lose their jobs, because they lack the skills to work with other model systems.
Banning it here will just move it to China. I think I would rather see them regulate it to be as ethical as possible instead of just banning it outright. Our modern society requires these experiments and healthcanada requires them to be done for approvals, so we should be working within that framework to be as kind to animals as possible instead of just offshoring the practice.
This is actually not true. If you ban it here AND remove the Health Canada requirement for testing on higher order animals, there is no need to do that research. It doesn't even correlate that well with human health outcomes. Ban the practice and remove the incentive, and I guarantee you that the behaviour will go away.
The FDA already removed its requirement for testing on higher order mammals – mouse work is sufficient to get an investigational new drug (IND) permit, or an equivalent permit for a medical device. I suspect Health Canada has done the same, but I'm not 100% sure – if not, it absolutely should. I'd rather have marginally more risk to human participants that generates useful, applicable data, than perform countless cruel experiments that poorly correlate with human biology.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but dropping the Health Canada requirement has to come first. And when you do drop the Health Canada requirement, which species are you going to decide are the ones that have to die or suffer for us to get drugs made? Because if none do, then humans do.
I think this whole topic is a bit of a distraction. I'm all for ending animal suffering, but his ban wouldn't.
His ban will force Health Canada to consider the issue, and may accelerate them making similar decisions as the FDA, on reducing this practice altogether.