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How many vests cover the face? You can also shrapnel their groin area, and they bleed out before any ambulance will be there.
One of the reasons why I picked a shotgun and use 000 buckshot is because of the spread. I assume my aim sucks, and hope that hitting the bad guys in a unarmored limb will be enough to remove them from a fight.
The other good thing about shotguns: Low penetration. If there's a victim visible behind your attacker, you're likely to hit them with any kind of projectile. But, if there's a victim behind a wall or in a house behind your attacker, at least a shotgun will stop at the drywall.
Any recommendations?
If you talking shotguns, I am an amateur, so use a hefty block of salt: I have a VR80. It is a semi-auto that uses magazines, which should make it better for military situations. My guess is that if civil war breaks out, both sides will initially be recruiting troops with whatever kit they happen to have - formal outfitting by Blue States would depend on where and when you are, so it would be better to bring a gun that is fit for combat in the first place. If you live in California or other restrictive states, you remove a pin and split the gun in half, allowing the mag release to operate. Apparently a small piece of the tool can be removed to permanently enable the mag button.
The VR80 will take a good number of rounds fired before it starts to loosen up. Jamming is an issue during the break-in, but that is fine if you are practicing. This weapon in particular prefers more powerful rounds, and is designed to be ambidextrous, along with being AR-15 style for addons. If you can, ditch the stock - it doesn't telescope, and feels awkward to me.
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I cannot agree with your point about the break in period enough. Thats a pain point for all semi auto shotguns. You're gonna need to expect to drop some cash on rounds (Ideally 1400+ FPS) to get it reliable. But on the bright side, youll have plenty of experience clearing stove pipes by the time its broke in so in the event of a jam youll clear it quick
It's alright, it's also kind of a waste, unless you're like clearing a small area or slinging slugs at something heavily armored you could really get everything accomplished with a traditional tube shotgun, if that doesn't work get a keltec, as far as military situations get a semi rifle or honestly even a bolt unless for some reason you're trying to kill everything 30yds in front of you multiple times.
They have their place. I have one for home defense. A shotgun requires less precision than a handgun and my wife does not devote a ton of time at the range. We also have children so she's understandly apprehensive around keeping a weapon loaded. So if you have to load the bitch when you need it, slapping that 10 round mag in is gonna be a lot easier for someone like her than trying to manually tubefeed the rounds.
Then have it loaded and not chambered, it'll be much harder to load those mags then slide a shell in a regular shotgun, cause you know I also own one.
I think you missed part of the comment. It doesnt take much effort to rack a slug. The motion to do that is also ubiquitous and pretty much every child over the age of 4 knows how to rack a shotgun.
The goal was to make it safer for being around kids while not compromising ammo capacity or readying time.
Incoming drones are one of my worries. If anything calls for emptying a clip, it would be that situation.
I have a VR82 for 3 gun, tons of fun with it. Took about 300 rounds for mine to break in with no more stove pipes or FTF.
I'm staunchly antigun.... most of the time. In this case, with Dumpy mcdementiapants leading the way, arm the fuck up. I have no recommendations. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Yeah, practice at the range until your aim doesn't suck.
There's also the option where the vest stops it but you have a crushed sternum
Also if you're using magnum slugs then God help you...