Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West's role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term "rules-based international order." It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to "dismantle western propaganda" and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
Sorry, but talking against NATO means violating lemmy.world rules? What the hell, I’m out of here.
thats what you took out of all the text above? just that?
you should read it again - you might find another 1 or 2 concerning parts in there
Could you point me to a specific passage that is worth a preventive ban?
The three main points listed:
asking not to spam the other instances with aggressive memes, instead engaging with sources. Doesn't look so bad.
A political belief one may or may not agree with. Is it against the rules of lemmy.world?
Communists believe in communism and don't agree with neither liberalism nor fascism. Is this surprising? Should we stop having left-wing content on this instance?
My comment was born out of sadness for the fact that a preventive ban was applied against an instance that professes vision of the world one may disagree with, but that, if argued properly, is certainly worth being, at least, discussed. I'd have totally understood a defederation is such instance would have violated rules in here and so on. But a preventive strike? I disagree with it.
With this said, it's not the end of the world, and I guess I'll find another calm island/instance.
I'm some sort of Classical / Moderate Liberal and occasionally "talk against" NATO but there's a wide difference between that and actively pushing to see it disbanded which is tantamount to Pro-Russian propaganda...especially right now.
If you can't handle a rule preventing you from trying to remove a bastion of Western European freedom then I guess you'll move to a new instance.
You see, the problem is that I disagree that it is a bastion of Western European freedom. I do think that the West, and NATO, have played a negative role in recent history (or the history of many countries in the world). And, by the way, so have Russia and the USSR.
But this is beyond the topic. Which is the rule of lemmy.world that protects NATO as a bastion of Western European freedom? And, if such rule exists, is it a fair one? Are political discussions beyond centrism banned on lemmy.world?
And I will switch instance. Unfortunately Lemmy doesn't make it as easy as Mastodon to switch account. I'll gather a list of the communities I follow, and then eventually switch. I won't go to Hexbear or similar instances, as I don't want to be on instances that are ONLY about politics. But I'll certainly look for one whose admins are calmer.
Peace!
There isn't one and there's plenty of anti-NATO / anti-western / anti-capitalist sentiment here on lemmy.world.
Obviously not, we're still federated with lemmygrad and lemmy.ml.
Feel free to do what you feel is best for yourself but I think this situation with hexbear is being blown way out of proportion, mostly by people who seem to have a vested interest in that instance being able to participate here but not the other way around.
Let me spell this out for you: those of us who don't live in the western world, we don't care about your pissing contest with the Russians. Go have it somewhere else.
People can have different opinions. It does not make them Russians. It just makes you a sad man who can not imagine people having different opinions.
I'm not a tankie at all. I've joined lemmy.world after the recent Reddit debacle. I'm certainly left-wing, but by no means am a supporter of stalinism. If you do care about this place not turning into a shit hole, try to engage more thoughtfully with people.
I can usually tell how mentally ill someone is by how often they use the word "woke" lol
Define "woke", obviously stable individual.
Most sane conservative
Jesus Christ, what can I say, I'm not a tankie! I'll spell it clearer for you: I said I don't like Stalin or stalinism. I disagree with what tankies believe, nor do I condone bureacratic communism, such as the one that tankies support. Clear enough?
Adios.