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How do we even know if AGI is achievable? I don't know anything about this topic but as far as I've heard AGI might actually just be impossible.
No no. You see what they'll do is make a shitty chatbot, use it to justify firing a whole bunch of workers, then hire some cheaper workers in India or Pakistan or something to do the same job, but pretend that its the shitty chatbot doing the work. At that point they'll have achieved their goal: AGI (A Guy Instead). Just like builder.ai did.
If you define it in a "artificial person/as smart as a human/can do anything a human can do" sort of way like I usually see, then yes, we know that it is possible, because if it were impossible for a system with human-equivalent capabilities to exist, than humans couldn't exist, and well, we clearly do. That being said, that doesn't mean that all we need to do to make one is to just feed more and more data into our existing AI tech.
Sure, but wouldn't that mean we'd also have to completely understand how a human brain works? The last I heard, the most advanced brain that scientists fully understood was like a flatworm or something.
We technically wouldnt have to in the sense that its not physically impossible for us to "stumble into it" while trying to mimic the basic brain architecture that we do know, but yes, this is one of the reasons I tend to be a bit skeptical of AI claims, we're trying to mimic something without even knowing how the thing we're trying to mimic works very well. Clearly we havent had zero success just given that we can make something that can talk well enough to sometimes fool people into thinking its a human, but we also clearly havent gotten all the way there. If the tech we've built will work with enough scaling or tweaking, or if we need something fundamentally different, I dont know.
My guess, though it is just a guess, is that we've probably got something that could serve as a component of some future agi system but that there's probably more to it we havent figured out that we need to add to get there beyond just making the thing bigger and feeding it more data. Humans do learn from experience after all, and I would imagine the total data input of all one's senses constantly working adds up to a lot, but we also clearly dont need to be fed all the information to be found on the internet just to learn how to think and talk, the fact these AI models need so much training data makes me suspect that either we're missing something fundamental and trying to compensate with more training, or else we've devised a way to doing this that is really inefficient compared to however our brains do it.
What a lot of people seem to be missing is...you don't need to create a computer that mimics a human brain. We have tons and tons of human brains already. There's no shortage of them, so there's no need to program a synthetic one. What we do need is a super-advanced computer brain. It isn't going to think like a human, and that's good.
I mean when you put it like that it makes a lot more sense, but even that requires a sort of technology to accurately build a brain that works the same way a human brain does. Maybe AGI can be built but we have none of the resources to synthesize a human brain?
If nothing else, it seems reasonable to assume that a computer could run a program that does all the important things 1 neuron does, so from there it's "just" a matter of scaling to human brain quantities of neurons and recreating enough of the training that evolution and childhood provide to humans. But that's the insanely inefficient way to do it, like trying to invent a clockwork ox to pull your plow instead of a tractor. It'd be pretty surprising if we couldn't find the tractor version of artificial intelligence before getting an actual digital brain patterned directly off of biology to do it.
We know it's not. It's Zeno's paradox.
We know it's not? How? How do we know that?
If everyone is intelligent does it mean we're all smart or dumb ?
We don't, thats the neat part. It might be like proving God. Impossible to prove its impossible, but maybe possible to say "look see its real whoops shitshitshitturnitoffhelp"
i think that these tools will probably be foundational to discovering more about the human mind and how words or images are received, stored, and assembled in the brain, but people like sam altman and elon musk are convinced that there is nothing else to a ‘person’ beyond that.
‘humanity’ is an emergent phenomenon, and that is what makes it special. a few other animals have the beginning of it, but none have all of it like we do. you don’t need a god or any kind of religion to understand this. as far as we know, we might be one of the least likely things to ever happen in the universe, ever.