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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

RTFM is an obnoxious retort for people, arguably in community, not to engage with a member of the community.

I think there's a low level of "How do I figure this out?" [generic] in which its good advice to ask "Does it say anything about this in the manual?" before you try and tear into a system as a third party giving advice.

I also think "I read the manual on my refrigerator" is some "I dare you to prove me wrong" horseshit. On the one hand, people don't do this for a reason. Refrigerators simply aren't that complicated to use. And the manual is rarely a smooth read, even for professionals. So its good advice, but not practical advice, better than half the time.

Reading a manual is also a skill. Being able to compartmentalize manual info into buckets of “obvious and I don’t need to read on”, “could be helpful”, “interesting, but it gets there I ain’t touching it” takes either training or just getting lucky after a certain number of reps.

Also, just a matter of free time and mental calories to burn. And hey, maybe if you're a hobbyist who is hip deep in your Linux kernel because you eat this shit up, its the place you should have started. But also, Jesus Christ, maybe I just want a Mint instance to run a Jellyfin server. I'm not trying to get my master's degree in this shit.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago
  1. It's not impossible to learn if you read the manual. That's how I learned.
  2. If you need my help cos you can't figure it out, pay me. I don't work for free.
  3. If you're not paying me, I don't owe you anything.
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

If you need my help cos you can’t figure it out, pay me

It's so funny to see this on a sub dedicated to FOSS. Trying to imagine how many Pull Requests come with a bill attached.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There's a difference between helping out people who are interested in, and capable of learning, improving, contributing to something...

... and people who just want thing work, and are also almost always unwilling to put literally any thought into this process.

'User Support' and 'Collaborative Development' are not the same thing.

There's also 'the computer guy' syndrome, where a group of people just expect a seemingly infinite amount of uncompensated time and mental effort from 'the computer guy' to solve all their problems, who then take this for granted, and become hostile and offended when you tell them 'sorry, don't have the time', when 'the computer guy' has the audacity to... want to do something else at that moment.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago
[-] drosophila 4 points 4 days ago

FOSS doesn't mean "we think people that make software should work for free because we like free shit". It means:

  1. When you want to modify something someone else made to your benefit you should recognize the work they did for you and pay it back in the form of contributing those changes back to the project. Beyond that, it also benefits you directly because someone else might build on your improvements (well, that, but also its easier to stop your changes from breaking in new versions of the software if other people are aware of them). Like the other commenter said, its communal development, sure lots of people do it at least partly because they want to make the world a better place, but the primary reason it works is because the various parties mutually benefit from mutual cooperation.

  2. The belief that you should have complete control over your own computer, which you can't do in practice without being able to view the source code of the software you run.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

FOSS doesn't mean "we think people that make software should work for free because we like free shit".

What ingrained, unexamined immersion in capitalism does to a mofo.

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