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2A is for everyone
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This is one of the more surprising reversals in leftist opinion over the last ten years.
Leftists? I don't think so. Progressives and liberals maybe, yes.
I absolutely believe that giving guns to everybody is a really dumb idea. But if I was living in the present day US, I'd start stocking up on guns and ammo and practice shooting.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you've already lost. None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it. You can make a lot of things whole lot worse by introducing armed conflict to it, but nothing can be made better by it. If I was a conspiratorial type, I would say that making the left gun-happy is a psyop by fascists, because there is very little things is as dangerous to a healthy society as the ubiquity of guns, and fasch can't thrive in a healthy society.
Did you miss the bit where people are being ICEd?
They've already lost.
I think we are referring to other humans with guns, which can in fact be solved by shooting them. In fact, that's SOP for SWAT, who are the kind of people you want well-armed ... assuming you also have an inclusive, pluralistic, liberal democracy to govern them.
Root cause here is cultural. US needs denazification, according to the original pre-Putin definition of the word, exact same way post-WWII German society became... an inclusive, pluralistic, liberal democracy
Wrong.
Fascism is here. It is not an existential threat. And fascism always has to be responded to with force. Fascists do not respond to politely phrased requests or democratic elections.
Are you unaware of WW2?
This isn't a healthy society.
Fascism isn't a guy you can shoot at. It's a social disorder, and the best food for it is an inability of people to organise, to trust each other, to form communities that will recognise attempts of autocrats to usurp the power and to take your democracy away. And among the instruments of this social erosion is this fundamental fear people have of each other. Fear that exacerbated by ubiquity of guns, in part caused by it, and made substantially worse by it. Fascists want you to think in a framework of personal violence, they want you to dream about getting into direct fights, because that's their whole world, that's where they thrive. When they come to your house to throw you to jail for thoughtcrime, they want you to respond with shooting your gun at them. What they don't want is for you to be connected to your neighbors, to your social group.
Are you by any chance a country in Europe in the middle of 20 century? Because if not, the WW2 isn't an applicable example.
Yeah, for example y'all are too obsessed with guns
I think you're misunderstanding what existential means.
Maybe we can just pool together money and arm the unions. Imagine how hard mass-layoffs would be if unions had a missile launcher.
I mean, it's not exactly a new opinion. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary
it's just quite shocking to me as a Canadian. But I can see the logic behind it.
I'm not sure how being Canadian factors into it; we still read Marx in Canada (at least, those of us on the left do)
There is none. It's just people who would never do anything in real life acting tough on the internet.
^ Prime example right there.
look up "stochastic violence"
It's always been the case that if you go left far enough you get your guns back.
It's true.
But you have to respond to fascism with force.
So it's a necessary reversal.
If we lived in a better society we wouldn't need to have reversed on this topic and we'd still be trying to reduce the number of firearms. But we live in a stupid society that forces us to have to arm ourselves. That's the current reality.
Liberals aren't leftists.
I'm aware, and I still believe this is a change in leftist opinion.
Doesn't seem to matter which side, both ignore that whole inconvenient militia part.
That's not what it means. The militia part is the reason why they wrote the 2nd amendment. The People is who it's for.
it's almost like people change their stances on things depending on the situation
healthy country? kids shouldn't have easy access to guns
whatever the fuck is going on right now in the us? give everybody a gun without question and let's see how it plays out. can't be worse than an authoritarian government
idk why you said "it's almost like," as though you think I'm stupid for pointing out that it's interesting that this has been a change in the left.