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I think you may indeed miss something. It's not the "people on Lemmy". A few YouTubers on the left have noticed and made videos about TYT's downfall. They now have ex employees like Hasan Piker and Francesca Fiorentini openly talking about how people are treated at TYT.
There's also the whole thing about Ana getting "agitated" about some non-issues like "birth giving person" or some bullshit like that, and saying that she is done with the Democrats.
Another point that comes up often about them is how much they are willing to be friends with people of the right. They go on right wing shows to criticize the left. They also attack other YouTubers on the left like The Majority Report.
Beyond their sometimes seemingly balanced speeches, they are rapidly shifting on the right. They are becoming grifters.
I don't want to link to a bunch of AI articles and/or long YouTube videos but this contains a bit of juice: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/the-young-turks-daniel-penny-and
Thank you for the link and context. I'm not familiar with most of what you brought up, but I'll check it out.
Hasan Piker is a socialist as far as I can tell so I guess they would be to the right of him. I hadn't heard of Francesca Fiorentini.
I think I remember them talking briefly about a "birth giving person" label but they didn't seem to treat it like a big issue at the time. They may have focussed on it more some other time and I just didn't see.
One thing I do remember is when Cenk caused a stir as a guest at a TPUSA conference a few years back and focussed on common ground ideas like oppression from elites and disdain for legacy media and certain politicians, some on the left but also a lot for Mitch McConnell. If that's what friendship means then I don't have a problem with it I guess. He seemed consistent then with what he's been saying now.
I guess another thing recently was praising Marjorie Taylor Greene for proposing cutting back on funding for Israeli missiles. Regardless of the background of the person launching it, the bill was a step in the right direction for them so they gave credit. Again, I would say it's consistent with their values rather than it being a partisan thing. They are definitely not fans of hers.
A big part of avoiding echo chambers is holding people on your side accountable and examining perspectives from people who disagree with you. The criticism I've seen so far focuses on the actions that violate their stances and acknowledges counterarguments so I consider it generally fair.