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If anyone would know best, it'd be someone you're trying to convince. Shit take
Try telling that to the fascist Israelis committing a live stream Holocaust.
People are either receptive or not. Activists can choose how to communicate their message. Just because it doesn't work for you, that doesn't mean it won't work for others.
Exactly watch all these carnists act like they understand activism than the actual vegans.
Speedrun comparing anti-veganism to the Holocaust any% WR
I wasn't comparing. The person before me made a generalized statement. I used an example to contradict their statement.
Besides, the technology that came out of the Holocaust, gas chambers, without a doubt is used on a large scale today in exterminating domesticated animals. See this trailer for a documentary whose creator place cameras inside a pig gas chamber.
And fuck you. Let me guess, you're someone who doesn't compared the Holocaust to what's happening in Palestine because it isn't 1-to-1
Nah, I'm pro Palestine. I just think comparing the genocide to animal slaughter is a little tone deaf.
How is genocide different than animal slaughter?
The former involves eradicating the entire ethnic population of a region. The latter involves eradicating a continuously regenerating population of victims, bred for slaughter.
In fact, animal slaughter might be worse than genocide if you think that humans control certain domesticated animals species to be bred to die. With genocide, the idea isn't to regenerate the ethnic population: it's to get rid of them for good.
The tactics used to accomplish the two are exactly the same, if only in tone of force used. We don't use bombs to slaughter animals, but we do cut their throats, shoot them, make them feel fear, kick them, gas them. With genocides, it's the bombs, bullets, and gas chambers that have historically and contemporarily executed genocide. Between both cases, however, is violence done to helpless populations with no capacity for self defense.
.... in threads like this, people like you always get downvoted, and people saying spreading the message via exaggeration doesn't work gets upvoted. Unless you think the only people who matter don't vote, the data (and common sense) is against you.
You cite data. What's your data that proves that singular attack vectors at persuading populations works best, compared to multiple vectors?
And what common sense? Eating meat, and using animals in general for our purposes, is serving as one of the largest contributors to climate change, to water overuse, to nitrogen and fertilizer runoff that kills ocean life, to heart disease (red meat specifically), and to cancer (UN classifies red meat as a carcinogen).
Seems to me that your "common sense" is willful ignorance at the pleasure of others' suffering, both on an acute and obtuse level.
I do agree with you that this is common. Most societies today are not vegan. Hell, most aren't pro-Palestinian, or at least the governments aren't. That latter example is changing, thankfully.
Common sense is when you come at people like this, they don't listen. That's why I won't read your comments and probably no one else will either.
Whether someone reads both of our comments is not up to us. There are likely many non-vocal lurkers on this post and on Lemmy in general that have their opinions swayed by the users that are vocal.
My motivation to voice my opinion is the same as yours in this matter.
And bud, that ain't common sense. That's a reflexive mechanism since people don't like being told they're wrong, bad, or immoral. Doesn't change the fact that they still are. What IS common sense is recognizing our capacity to do evil in this world, and lessening that. Veganism aims to do just that. Don't see you providing any alternatives
You claim I'm shutting down the conversation, but I see you taking away my will to converse. Nothing really to say. I dated a vegan a couple of years and am on board with the mission overall. But this abrasive shit isn't helping you
You aren't shutting down the conversation. I never said that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, idiot.
You want me to voice my opinion in ways that are more palatable to your sensibilities. Ain't doin' shit for you bro.
Good! Maybe you should date more vegans. Hell, even make more vegan friends. You'll get over this hump of having your feelings hurt
Congratulations on pushing people further away from veganism you fucking moron
If you're too stupid to see that, I'm sure I'm wasting my time so don't write back
This is why you don't have friends, vegan or not.
I didn't push away people, jackass. Just you!
The mistake is thinking that this is about creating a successful movement and real change, when veganism is actually often a tool to allow one to believe they are personally morally superior to others.
The more people that participate and agree with them, the less effective it is at making them feel better than others, so it actually requires excluding and belittling people rather than convincing them.
Their responses here kinda confirm what you're saying
The number of people that I know who were hardcore vegans, went to an agriculture school studying to become veterinarians, and gave up veganism immediately as soon as they got real experience in the meat/whool/dairy industry and saw the reality of it rather than propaganda...
All I can say is that you have a super naive idea of the veganism movement, and your prescriptions for doing "good" activism can go paint my taint.
It sort of does feel this way