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I’m not saying that appeasement is always the way, but I’d rather Apple stayed off Trump’s vindictive side by giving him a little shiny toy then by giving them (for example) user data or backdoors into their platform.
Yes, in an ideal world, they’d tell the whole administration to go fuck itself, but they also don’t want to be destroyed by the government (however illegal that may be, do you really think they’d survive long enough for all the legal challenges to go through the system if Trump decided Apple had to go?)
You have zero way of knowing that there aren't some level of backdoors. There's zero reason to think they wouldn't fold for the US govt like they did for the Chinese government. Lastly there is no high ground here for Apple. It's bad enough that they go above and beyond to dodge taxes and this is them doing more of that but in a somewhat more shameful way than normal. Fuck em.
It would be amazingly risky for Apple to hide backdoors in their products. One of their big selling points is their reputation for taking user data privacy seriously. If it ever came out that they’d helped a government by violating that, their credibility would be shot and they’d lose a noticeable percentage of customers overnight.
That’s not good business, so I don’t think they’d risk it.
Lol. If you don't think Apple has backdoors in their products I have a bridge to sell you.
I’d be more interested in your background and knowledge of these backdoors than some bridge
If you think Apple has hidden backdoors, some class action lawsuits would love to know about it. They've filled their pockets on much much less damning evidence.
lol, that is reputation only
Their reputation amounts to them telling us that privacy is a human right but forgetting that the instant the Chinese government comes between Apple and money. Also if they were truly serious about security they would be open source. Like others have said, if the government wants a backdoor, they will get it no matter what apple says publicly because profits matter more than anything.
Remember back when the U.S. government had to go to the international hacker community to try and hack an iPhone about 10 years ago? I remember, and Pepperidge Farms remember. Maybe they've added backdoors since then, but there hasn't been any evidence of that, and it wouldn't be able to be kept quiet for very long of there were. You're collecting down votes, but I don't think you're wrong.
If Trump would decide Apple "has to go", the US can stop pretending that they live in a democracy.
The US has pretty much never been a real democracy (other than in a roman sense, as in "power belongs to rich men").
In the Roman sense, it was never a democracy, in the sense that we vote for representatives, who then in turn vote on stuff for us. Er, I mean for the corporations. So you can see why this system is so prone to abuse.
Every Western democracy votes for representatives, direct democracy isn't really a thing (except for partially in Switzerland). But many countries actually manages to represent the voters with their representatives, the US system definitely doesn't.
I think you mean that many countries manage to let voters have i say along with all the other interestsgroups on the country, of which many are corporations.
I knew someone would say that.
What are my other options?
I’ve gotten away from Microsoft and Android.
I need a phone that can run modern banking apps, so I can’t run some janky Linux OS just for hyper privacy.
I also need something my parents can use, since they’re all in on Apple at the moment too. I don’t live close enough to regularly visit to do on site tech support, and honestly, not my idea of fun anyway.
For better or worse, Apple is it at the moment.
What banking apps don't run on Android? You're coping hard right now.
Well I don’t want stock android, do I? I can hope Apple aren’t selling my personal data. I know that Google would. I’ve de-googled my life, I’m not going back.
You know that Apple sells it too, I havr degoogled my life too, and I can use android totally fine with a stock rom and with google services completely disables because yes you can disable it and yes it works fine without it. With apple they will force you to use their apps and shit ecosystem with android you can choose within at least.
Not for long, you won't be able to sideload your banking app in the future with all the work being done on device attestation.
Keep hoping and coping then. Just drop the pretense that you aren't doing exactly that.
This is the type of thinking that has put corporations above people. "Oh no the trillion dollar company can't do the right thing or they could go under!"
You never have more power against an authoritarian than you do right now.
You have to resist, push back, fight etc. or you keep losing.
Apple should be destroyed by the goverment, case closed.
Regardless, as mister H. has shown and mister P. too, you can never appease a authoritarian monster, they always ask for more.
Absolutely not, there's no upside to capitulating to a fascist, period.
If the government wants backdoors they'll get them and in fact probably already have them. I'd rather no one appease a fascist dictator and anyone who does or thinks it's a good idea is a fascist by proxy.
If Apple weren't pussies, and Trump said he'd end them for not capitulating, they'd just have to release all sorts of goodies that Trump and his cronies stored in their cloud.
But alas, everyone and every company in America is a damned wuss.
Yeah, because appeasing fascists has traditionally gone well...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
We only saw the part of the appeasement process which was meant to be public. We have no way of knowing what is included in the non-public part.
lol one has nothing to do with another.
Whose to say they haven't already?