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The Oval Office, then and now.
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This picture makes me fucking ashamed to be an american. What a backward-ass shithole country we've become.
And the election was not even rigged. You did this to yourselves in plain sight. It is super duper pathetic. From the boldest, most inspiring nation in the world to an insane, self-mutilating idiocracy in like a couple of decades. What the fuck!
Let's be clear, all US elections are rigged in many different ways. This is why the Texas gerrymandering is an issue as well as North Carolina in the past, and I'm glossing over a lot of cases and other methods that are used because it isn't worth my time mentioning more than those two.
Another fact: one electoral vote accounts for 195,000 people in Wyoming and over 700,000 people in Texas, Florida or California.
How does any of this matter when Trump won the popular vote? You can't get around the fact that more than 50% of voters voted for Trump.
I totally agree that your political system is fucked, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Trump won because he cheated the system or the election was rigged. Trump won because he convinced people to vote on him, and that's the real problem.
That does not affect the Presidential election. Nice try.
The election was stolen by the Americans that could not even bother to show up and vote. People keep telling me that it is not the fault of people that did not vote for Trump.
Yes it is.
I think in Pennsylvania, there were boxes and boxes of ballots abandoned in the woods. In Arizona, a UPS collection box was set on fire in a democratic majority area. There are more direct ways to steal an election than hacking systems. "Here you go grandma, just sign here"
Irregularities != illegitimacy. Independent polling support that Trump had around half of the popular vote. One percent either direction may have changed the outcome but it doesn't change the legitimacy of the office, either way it was a very close race that either Harris or Trump could have legitimately won.
Therefore it is an absolute braindead take to say that Americans didn't choose this. They did. That's not incompatible with the theory that Trump cheated. But the American people doesn't get to eschew their responsibility in this. Fuck this "no-one admits they voted for Hitler" bullshit.
Voter roll purges, where and how many polling places, misinformation mailers and calls, super PACs, electoral college, etc. This election, and most every other election, was totally rigged. They suppress voting in huge ways. They hold it on a Tuesday and it's not a national holiday. Even if your job doesn't outright stop you from going, a lot of people can't afford to take that time and go vote. All of this is well documented and carefully orchestrated. Yes, people voted for Trump, but if shit wasn't rigged he would never even have been on the ballot. Yes, Americans are to blame for this outcome, but it's not just the voters. This outcome is decades in the making. They just haven't been nearly so effective in elections past.
Oh bullshit. It's one of the most used and most effective voter suppression tactics. Do you know how many people don't vote because "Texas is red, so it doesn't matter"?
It affects statewide races. Anyone telling you it doesn't is either ignorant or a complete piece of shit trying to convince you of something.
Stop trying to find someone to blame and fight to get him out of office now.
Actually, it's your fault for not volunteering all your time to Harris or donating all your money to her campaign.
No it was rigged. That's why they cried so hard when trump lost the first time. They all cried voter fraud because they were doing it themselves, after all, how could a cheater lose unless the other side is also cheating? They just learned how to do it better this time. Dump even talked about how muskrat knew all about voting machines. No one will ever convince me otherwise.
...it may have been... there's some evidence of tampering on the devices. Believing that helps me sleep at night.
What is inspiring about stealing land to build a racist, genocidal, capitalist empire ?
Well trump literally bragged that musk used his resources to tamper with voting machines.
Putin said that he hoped Trump would win and admitted to authorizing large "operations" (read: massive astroturfing campaigns at the least) the help trump win. Clear foreign government election tampering.
Not to mention that in 2020, every single republican blew up and made accusations that the election was tampered with and throughout the past 2 decades of history at least, literally every single time that they mass accused people of doing something, it was because they were projecting and they, themselves were doing it. They were obsessed with accusing the other side of voting machine tampering, if it was projecting, then they themselves were likely doing it or attempting it.
Additionally that there is a far-fetched (read, no presented evidence) report from an ex-cia whistleblower that it was tampered with
A conspiracy theory that I personally think wouldn't be crazy is that the voting machine tampering was already done in 2020 by the republicans on a very small scale as a proof of concept, and they made a massive multi-month campaign on it, tired everyone, judges and population alike on the baseless claims they made so that when they full-scale began vote tampering, nobody would believe anyone that wanted to investigate possible vote machine tampering. They might have weaponized the boy who cried wolf principle.
Jesus Christ, and you're saying this about the Bush era. Americans really are the most propagandised people on Earth. Pure zealots
My thoughts exactly. At least in 2016 we had the small consolation of him losing the popular vote. Now we see exactly what this country is and it's just sad.
Do you? Who is in power and what is the plan?
He got 49.9% of the popular vote.
You're only ashamed now?
They're only ashamed when their team doesn't win. Every bad thing they did was totally valid because again, it was their team.
It's called "American values" where the only thing that matters is winning and crimes against humanity don't matter.
Started with Dubya but now it's in full effect.
This is what makes you ashamed to be American? You need to work on your priorities.