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[-] kilorat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's weird how he states it so plainly, yet people misunderstand it. It's not for everyone. Some people specifically are willing to work at an unstable startup company, and can commit long hours in exchange for ownership of the company. They get a big reward if things go well. If the company just paid a paycheck, that would be exploitative. he's not talking about a shitty job where you're asked to work long hours because some rich assholes need line to go up. It's totally valid to want just a stable job where you go in, do your fucking job, then go home, and get paid, then live your passions outside of work. Get that work/life balance, that should be your choice. This guy is not talking about that kind of job. You guys are a bit too extreme, it can be fulfilling to work hard and get rewarded, just because you had a bad experience working for an exploitative big company doesn't mean all work is like that. If you have a lot of shares, then you're part owner. If they don't offer equity then fuck that, they can't expect anyone to put up with long hours, and what kind of cuck would get enjoyment about making other people rich?

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

80 hours/week is not sustainable. Anyone who truly works that will be burnt out in short order. Research shows long work hours are counterproductive, especially in "creative" types of work such as engineering. A lot of startup founders have pretty strong anti-dillution protections while the employees don't. 90% of startups just fail, 10% "succeed" but most don't pay out significant amounts to employees (and are then often laid off), and maybe 1-2% have explosive growth that may pay off enough for the employees to offset their initial sacrifice.

[-] kilorat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's not sustainable, but with startups the goal is to either get big, or fail, over the span of a few years. You're not supposed to be at that level forever. If someone tries to that, we would call them a workaholic, and they will probably later regret not seeing more of the world while they were still young.

[-] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 1 points 22 hours ago

Startups typically have to offer both higher pay and a lot of shares.

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