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Sheinbaum rejects US ‘invasion’ after Trump orders military to target Mexico cartels
(www.theguardian.com)
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The cartels are an evil scourge without a trace of humanity. Nothing of value will be lost if they're swept off the board. I hope their buttholes are puckering at the thought of Delta and SEAL teams kicking down their doors.
The most effective way to dismantle criminal organizations of any nature is not by guns and bullets but by eliminating their markets.
People resort to drugs out of despair and disinformation. They either want an escape of reality or they want to "have fun" and they disregard or ignore the trap drugs represent.
Give to people security and a good life, inform and educate them, create safety nets for them to crash when things go wrong and 90% of drug trafficking and related crime just disappears. The other 10% you keep at bay by having good, humane, well trained police, on which the population can trust and rely.
Going for an all out war on cartels is a nighmare waiting to happen, at your door.
Way to go. I like this take.
It's become very clear that there is no moral goal behind the "war on drugs." It just becomes a never-ending escalation of cat and mouse, and civilians are caught up in the middle.
The factions of fear and despair based profit that made everybody miserable enough to give the cartels a market, now are simply mad they're not getting (enough) revenue from that market.
Conveniently as well, entire industries (many well-meaning) have sprung up around combatting the ravages of addiction, and "because drugs" is a convenient cop-out for pretty much every societal issue, and an expedient paper-thin justification for crackdowns, fear-mongering, and draconian punishments.
Unlike the rest of us, the powers that be have little to gain from "solving" drugs.
Instead of reducing the systemic precursors to crime, they would rather instead cut off everybody's arms and merely rent them back to you only while you're clocked in at work.
Sometimes people just take drugs because drugs are fun ... Not all of them are despairing or desperate...
The gross majority I am fairly confident they are.
But if you think recreational drugs are fine, campaign for them to be legalized, just like tobbacco, alcohol and guns. And pot. Those have been legalized. Less trouble when something is properly regulated.
Where I live, they haven't all been. I suspect many feel about guns and pot the same way as you feel about drugs that haven't been legalised in your area.
Anyway, legalisation of drugs isn't the hard bit, it's the regulation that can be tricky to get right....
Indeed, the Swiss did it and they were quite successful.
You're completely missing the point.
Maybe (I won't be weighing in any further), but can we at the very least agree that Mexico isn't doing enough?
You can do your bit by buying locally produced drugs. You'll also be supporting the community by creating work for American criminals.
We can. They are failling to do what I first mentioned.
How would you feel about Mexican military doing operations in the US?
It would ideally be a combined operation, obviously. Mexico either can't or refuses to clean house. If the cartels are spilling over the border then the US has every right to excise them at the source bin Laden style.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What organisation has the US wiped out with this approach? Last I checked the Taliban is still going.
The cartels are violent organisations that are deeply embedded in Mexico. Killing a bunch of them won't resolve the actual problems that facilitated their rise.
Ffs. It's like someone walked out of a time machine from 2002 and started spouting posy-9/11 rhetoric. And I'm reminded of just how fucking stupid everyone was back then. Read a fucking book.
You're absolutely right.
Even better, thanks to U.S involvement, they've got a whole country in their clutches now!
🇺🇸✌️MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!✌️🦅
There's times when violent intervention is unavoidable, and cartels are decidedly not a force for good in this world, but it's seriously sad how we've conditioned the civilian populace into casually thinking "Maybe if we just killed them all that would fix problems!"
"Just one more invasion bro. Just one more, just one more drone strike bro. It'll fix everything this time! Trust me bro. One more Contra op! Just bump my defense stonks a little bit bro! Just little bump! C'moooon!"
Spoken like a cartel spokesperson. They paying you in coke? :P
How would you feel if a foreign power invaded your country to spy and destabilize your government and economy under the pretext of a supposed war on drugs, using what is evidently the wrong tools and methods for the supposed job?
So... about the Zetas...