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The empire were the bad guys
As were the Jedi and the Republic.
Jedi were pretty fucking wrong, like there's so much wrong with that cult that it's surprising that someone didn't murder them all sooner.
Though it's no surprise Anakin was deemed too old for their brainwashing.
I always took it as Jedi being initially good but with no real opponent they got a bit of god complex and eventually became pretty evil.
Your mistake is thinking it has to be good vs bad. Star Wars is bad vs worse.
this is what leads you to disregard harm reduction.
yes, it's bad vs. worse.
which would you prefer given the choice? oh sure you can talk about abstaining your vote for higher principles, but that simply enables worse.
this isn't rocket science, either. this could have been a lot better but NAH you gotta be ideologically pure so here we are.
Neither.
Harm reduction is fighting for a 3rd option.
WHICH ENABLES THE WORST OPTION TO SUCCEED.
You can ignore all the replies saying the same thing. You can sit in your little room and tell yourself that none of these bad things are because of your stupidity, you can tell yourself whatever you want. You gave trump what trump needed to win. Feckless fucking apathy wrapped in "principles".
Great work. The third option turned out to be WORTHLESS when it comes to saving Gaza, WORTHLESS when it comes to defending women's rights, lgbtq rights, ENTIRELY WORTHLESS, fucking great work bud, outstanding. You must be proud.
Okay shitlib, keep advocating for harm.
Oh and for future reference I’m not American and Star Wars isn’t set in America either.
truth hurts, chudly. you should realize it though and learn instead of ignoring the premise and harms you cause.
Ironic considering the harm you cause everyday by defending the status quo.
But hey fuck minorities who have been suffering for centuries under such a system, you could tolerate them dying at the rates they did. Its only when Trump comes along and you personally get to experience the real America that you give a fuck.
The truth does hurt, which is why shitlibs pretend the lesser evil isn’t someone else’s pure evil as they die from an easily preventable means.
pfft, don't try to tell me you care about anyone else but yourself chudly. so you're getting what you wanted in gaza huh? you say you care about the minorities suffering for centuries but enabled an outright racist who's unleashed bibi to rape gaza.
I guess I'd rather be a shitty liberal than whatever wretched garbage you are.
chud
Nothing at all has changed in Gaza and nothing was going to once Biden/Harris made it clear they value Zionist lobbying money over the bare minimum of human decency.
68,000 Americans died each year from lack of healthcare and 183,000 Americans die each year from poverty. Every time you voted to keep things the same, you took part of the blame for those ~250,000 deaths each year.
And let's not forget all those foreigners you don't even give a shit about that die from American foreign policy. But why would a liberal care about non-Americans.
What have you done to lessen the harm done? What was your contribution to the current situation?
Tried to convince the more rationale right wingers (Liberals) to stop supporting murdering innocent people.
Sadly the cognitive dissonance that the status quo already causes death and injustice daily for millions is too much and they retreat back into their belief that they’re doing the right thing backing the USSR over the Nazis (lesser of two evils, right! - and before you unironically say yes ask the Polish or any other victim).
I’m not American, so I can’t do much else.
You did nothing. Don’t break your arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
And it's still more than you ever will.
Enjoy Trump, you let him get into power by defending a broken status quo.
Or break it, I guess.
Child soldiers and slavery is not good but flawed.
Rethink your moral compass please.
You're referencing Jedi? Where does the slavery come on?
Child soldiers... I can see that argument, but I don't agree. Jedi are combat capable, but as I understand, combat is not their purpose or even a core responsibility. That's just focused on for movies. Jedi are more comparable to monks. They're focused on connecting with the world, helping people connect with the world, and mediating conflict. The light sabers are supposed to only come out when harm is imminent. Even in the movie, light saber training is portrayed more a method of better connecting with the Force. Now, you could argue that's propaganda, but I don't buy that, either. If the person being trained believes violence is a last resort and uses it only as a last resort, then it goes from propaganda to truth. Hell, there are many times where the Jedi try to talk with people in the empire before the pew pew starts.
Just remember, movies wouldn't sell if they were just Jedi doing conflict resolution. We should be complaining more about the profit incentives for art rather than Empire vs Republic 🤣
I'm referencing the Republic in general, the droids are slaves. Clearly sentient yet physically and emotionally abused by Republicans and Jedi alike, kept in bondage and forced to work their entire life.
Child soldiers are the clones, literal fucking babies bred to die on a battlefield. Their entire childhood stolen from them and brainwashed into being unquestioning killing machines.
But the Jedi themselves are often child soldiers as well, stolen away from their families at a young age to be trained to protect the state as part of a paramilitary religious police.
Truly the Jedi's greatest moral failure was defending a ten thousand year old galactic democracy and not killing all of their political enemies as vanguards of the Revolution to enforce their religious and very, very specifically non-economic standards on the population.
This makes them innately evil.
(And for allowing droid slavery)
I think you have a philosophical issue, friend.
There is nothing in reality that is purely "Good." Everything is flawed or is a compromise or has some kind of selfishness hidden somewhere.
But that's why we say "Perfect is the enemy of good." That's why there's "Good enough."
Now, I understand you'll argue "the republic wasn't even good!" My point still stands. The empire was a dictatorship. The republic was a representative democracy. It is exceedingly rare that a dictatorship benefits the people. The only example I know of in the modern day is Singapore. (Thailand is complicated.)
At its core, the empire deprives its citizens of their rights. No one can hold the emperor accountable. He can just blow up a whole planet because he feels like it. Yes, you'll argue the republic can blow up planets, too, but that requires the input of many more people and would represent a significant portion of the populations interests.
Shit, the empire doesn't even rely on the citizenry for its military force, meaning it's even more disconnected from the needs of its citizens.
And I think you have a false dichotomy issue, pal.
And what? The Empire uses storm troopers, citizens who have applied. The Republic used clones, babies bred to die in service of the state.
Both are indefensible shit options.