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“We will not stop calling out and fighting back against extremist, so-called leaders who try to prevent our children from learning our true and full history,” the vice president said in Florida.

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[-] MicroWave@lemmy.world 220 points 1 year ago

“They attempt to legitimize these unnecessary debates with a proposal that most recently came in of a politically motivated roundtable,” Harris said in her afternoon speech at the 20th Women’s Missionary Society of the African Methodist Episcopal Church Quadrennial Convention in Orlando. “Well, I’m here in Florida, and I will tell you there is no roundtable, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact. There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”

Makes sense to me.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 94 points 1 year ago

Honestly debating these people is completely pointless and should be seen as such. They're not going to argue in good faith and they will just continue to create statements that are inarguable due to confounded bullshit. Word salad after preposterous nonsense.

[-] BrickTamland@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I respectfully disagree, I think something like this is worth a debate. That is really the only venue that you would switch someone's mind who is in the middle of the road for who to vote for in 2024 in the US. Everything with these politicians is said from a safe zone in an echo chamber of their respective parties, they need to be to talking directly to each other and hash it out in front of everyone.

[-] icydefiance@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

No one is "middle of the road" on slavery. Either you're completely and entirely against it, or you're a piece of shit.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Which is why we don't need to debate. It's like being invited to a debate on whether water is wet.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

There is absolutely nothing to debate.

[-] Phlogiston@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

I disagree: anybody that is "in the middle of road" and is holding that "slaves benefited from slavery" is anything other than racist drivel


is lying to you. They are not "in the middle of the road"; instead they are racist assholes that hoping for, at best, an excuse and more likely are just enjoying wasting your time.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure how you can actually be middle of the road on a binary choice.

Thing A or thing B?
Both but only half of each.

[-] VelociCatTurd@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

These debates aren’t about what’s said but about who “wins” and the person who “won” is dependent on what media outlet is covering it. If you’re so middle of the road that you don’t know who to pick, you’re going to watch a debate?

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Exactly If your on the fence on weather slavery was beneficial or not then no debate can help you.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Who is still on the fence about whether slavery was beneficial to the slaves? Who would that debate be for?

[-] Bluehood380@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

FYI I upvoted you.

I get your intended idea, but in this case, what is there to debate about slavery = bad?

Anyone “on the fence” about that is just a bit too far gone for common sense, let alone words/a debate to reach.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago

The "middle of the road" position is that slavery was a centuries-long atrocity. Anyone who thinks otherwise he is too far gone to be worth trying to persuade of anything.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

We already had the debate over whether or not slavery was good. It happened between 1860 and 1865 and the "wasn't good" side won.

[-] SattaRIP@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That's how slavery in America was first abolished, right? Well, nvm that it wasn't really considering the prison industrial complex.

[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If your mind is in the middle of the road about slavery benefiting the slaves, you should volunteer to be a slave, just to clear that up for you.

Couple of years on a prison chain gang ought to do it.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

After that should there be a debate about whether slaughtering babies and raping women might not be pure evil?

That would be a bit redundant since they should be covered as part of the 'debate' about whether slavery was beneficial.

[-] some_guy@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

if you aren’t sure that slavery was a bad thing, it’s pretty clear what side you’re on.

[-] quortez@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a lefty that does appreciate debate in certain contexts, which seems to be somewhat unpopular nowadays. There would be no benefit in having a debate here except maybe in a very, very, very, very, very, very contextual, academic forum of a thought experiment (and I'm highly skeptical of even that, as you would have to presuppose some truly monstrous things).
Desantis is not going to be in that forum. He's going to platform KKK rhetoric used as a justification for slavery for nearly a century after its abolition. His staffers are quite literally Nazis. The ethics of chattel slavery are very clear cut, similarly to how the ethics of sexual abuse are clear cut: for all but an infinitesimal section of people, the only people advocating for them are monstrous, disgusting bigots.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

There's nothing to debate.

And when one party is playing by no rules, there's no discussion.

Is anyone really undecided about this topic, still?

If so there are far better ways to reach them than pretending both viewpoints are legitimate. You really have to get to the crux of the issue and people have to really grok what life is like if you're not white, cis, het, etc.

[-] buckykat 2 points 1 year ago

Debate is a game for perverts

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what they would do.

"Ok KAMALA are you really going to say that learning a new skill isn't beneficial? Are you going to lie to the Great Patriots™©® of America and say that being given housing and food in exchange for labor is no beneficial? Are you actually saying that being exposed to our Great Christian Culture™©® is not beneficial!? Well now the True Patriots™©® can see you for what you are, a liar!"

Every mouth breather, slobbenly, Trump sucker would be sent to the ICU for a heart attack caused by sheer bliss from the massive "win" they just had...

It's so gross...

[-] joe@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Can we step back for a second and just soak up the fact that it's 2023 and some presidential candidates still want to debate the benefits of owning humans?

I know MLK Jr said

The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice

But man, that arc seems so long that a flat earther would deny there's a curve at all.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

A white racist piece of shit wants to debate the vice president who is a black woman. I sure thought we had made progress over the last 50 years, but of course we haven't.

[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's depressing as shit. I'm with you on previously thinking that we were making progress.

I detest that this is still happening, and I loathe the people who are still doing it. It might be judgemental, but at least I judge people based on their actions against others instead of what they look like.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

You're allowed to judge people on their actions, I think that's the point.

[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

If only everyone did that.

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

She kinda has a point... debating him just legitimizes his views.

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