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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

If a salesman misrepresents his product in any way of form, he gets called a swindler, faces potential legal consequences, and the people who bought his product are called "victims".

If a politician does this, it's just "business as usual", and his voters were supposed to do enough research to make the correct choice.

[-] braydan@lemmy.world 138 points 4 days ago

Project 2025 was pretty fucking clear. Y'all picked and continue to pick the red team ๐ŸŽ‰

[-] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 66 points 4 days ago

You know, I said a similar thing about Brexit. To a British person. In their face. While being way less intoxicated than I care to admit. And she replied a thing that still resonates with me to this day. She said that I have to remember that there were a significant number of people who didn't vote Leave, and they're now being fucked over as well. They didn't want that, they didn't vote for that, and yet they still have to live with the consequences. And leaving the country is not an option for most people.

Remember that when you talk about what "y'all Texans" voted for. Have some empathy and compassion for the people that did the right thing and still have to live through this shit now. Learn from my mistake.

It's been, idk, six years or something since, and I still cringe at least once a week thinking about how ignorant I was. Never had/took the chance to apologize either.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 32 points 4 days ago

I'm not sure how much, if any, this applies to Brexit, but Trump 2 was also the result of the inaction, complacency and outright complicity of plenty of people who "did the right thing." This goes way beyond the fascists, so I'm still pretty comfortable saying Americans did this to themselves.

[-] sartalon@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

People love to have a reason to look down on other people.

It is practically an animal instinct, it is an effect of our hard wired tribalism.

Your comment is pretty telling that you are just as influenced by this.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 days ago

No, I've just thought about the trajectory America is on for more than five seconds, so I put the "did the right thing" bar higher than voting blue. The self-defeating stupidity and willful ignorance of most of the "good" half of the American political spectrum leaves very little room for sympathy. For the exact same reason that MAGA thinking everything they don't like is a liberal hoax isn't an excuse for their stupidity, the liberal center thinking everything they don't like is a Russian conspiracy isn't an excuse for their stupidity. I mean hell, did you see how people here were talking about Uncommitted in 2024? That's not "doing the right thing;" that's being a useful idiot, and there's not much reason to distinguish between blue useful idiots and red useful idiots. I do feel bad for the non-idiots, but the past year and a half have proven that that demographic is distressingly small.

[-] Azteh@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

If I remember correctly, a lot of people just didn't vote, which means the people who did vote to stay just got screwed that much harder

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

I think it's implied that this is targeted at people who voted Trump. Of course I feel bad for the people who voted Harris, but now have to deal with the same bs. Same thing for Brexit. At least that is how I understand it.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Not for people, whose political knowledge were much less. I've talked with people on Facebook, who legit thought Project 2025 was a hoax made to "trigger the libs". They only realized there were literal instruction videos and a 700 page plan (not just a few pages), once Trump returned to office.

[-] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

yes, and yes.

The signs where there 2016 and it was even clearer 2020, those people should have done thier own research and used critical thinking... but the truth is they kind of where incapable of that

The fact so many people are not equipped with such skills is half meticulous conspiracy to consolidate power and half Reagan and likewise idots of both parties.

The education system, news media and so many factors that should be helping people be informed and help them to inform themselves have been purposefully dismantled and happenstancely mangled.

It is not an accident, it is not coincidental, it is not a mystery that so many people are not taught critical thinking and related skills. (Hell the gop is still hellbent on getting rid of the modern codification of critical thinking and education best practices (SEL))

It's like we are complaining of all the people stumbling into things because they are blind and we're mad because they ain't really blind they just have thier eyes closed but the systems and people that where supposed to teach them how to open thier eyes was dismantled and they lived thier lives so long blind they cannot fathom anything else, it would mean they where lied to and betrayed all thier life, it is much easier for them to accept everyone is blind and sight is the lie.

[-] prole 1 points 4 days ago

You had to be fucking stupid to think it was a hoax.

Think for yourself for once.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 4 days ago

There's one critical difference between these two things: Your vote affects the whole country, not only yourself. Someone who decides to use that power based on vibes and willful ignorance while there's no shortage of people telling them the truth can't later claim innocence; we as people have a duty to at least try to be informed on the consequences our actions have on other people. MAGAs would deserve some sympathy if their stupidity only affected themselves, but there's certainly no party affiliation filter to being thrown in Alligator Alcatraz.

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