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This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don't require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
Im talking about the 'must always grow' shit. Yes we still need food
Fuck borders. Why? What's the benefit of them to actual people? They're just problems. Let people ho where they want.
Agree.
Agree
Preserving this amazing typo in case you decide to "fix" it.
Spotted it, decided not to.
Here's a wacky idea: if Americans won't do it, Americans don't get to eat. Let's see how long it takes for things to change..
So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.
Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.
Or physically can’t.
This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.
We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.
People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That's what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.
This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It's a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife's edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It's like they're controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.
I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.
Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.
Robots will be mainstream soon. Humans won't be needed.
Robots are great for situations that don't require adaptations. Anything that requires novel choices will require humans for the foreseeable future.
AI will progress in that future.
We're gonna burn up the planet with energy use for AI before that happens
All that coal was created from trees, which are younger than sharks. Nature wasn't burning then, will not be burning soon. Nature will survive, it's the industrial farming that will be difficult.
I thought so too but with the warming trends we are experiencing at unprecedented rates the planet does not have time to adapt as well. We are now looking at a possible Venus scenario if this warming continues at this rate. If we look closely we are still increasing our load on the planet and thus increasing the speed of the cycle. Meaning all flora would not have the thousands of years to adapt to the warming as it has previously in earth's history.
We may just kill every live thing on the entire planet because of our greed.
There are always algues and fish unless we go out of our way and poison the ocean.
But I can't imagine that no plant will adapt or is already adapted. Some palm trees, some weed will survive.
We don’t really have to do anything extra. The CO2 alone is already acidifying the ocean in addition to the temperature increases that also kill things.
Nothing that can't have been before, when all the coal that is still in the ground was free CO2.
Downvoters, is this wrong? I need to know. Please correct me.
Well yeah sure. And the entire Earth could be vaporized and the rest of the universe wouldn’t be affected at all. It’s all about what context and scope we want to discuss.
Most of the CO2 in coal was trapped 300 million years ago. I am going to assume without further research that we as a civilization would absolutely not like to return to the atmosphere composition of 300,000,000 BCE.
I know. Cry me a river as you take yourselves out, right? If we take most of the biosphere with us though, that’s even more tragic on top of everything.
No, we don't want that. Difficult was an understatement. It's nature that will survive, not us.
This is a good thing to point out, because we create many of our own problems by trying to pretend that humanity is a separate and distinct thing from nature.
We're doing that regularly now.
You mean like the Pacific garbage patch? Or the numerous "spills" and effluent pipes that feed directly into the ocean? Perhaps the excessive overfishing or whaling or shark finning? Ocean drilling? Deep water mining? I think we've already got that killing the oceans thing managed.
There is of course always a chance something will survive.
Edit: like this fucking horse tail I'm fighting in my garden that's been around for millennia. Dinosaurs walked on that shit. Makes a great addition to fertilizer but God damn already...
Alternately: hollowing out our educational systems will diminish human capabilities in this realm
It's a ten year race against China. Education won't have much of an influence.
Eventually, but quickly enough.
There will always be some who will get their thrills off abusing actual humans and not robots. Pedo types, like those names of power hiding in the Epstein files.
Not the stuff we have now. True AI is still a long way off.
Ah, the perfect reminder that people on Lemmy can be just as big of dipshits as people on reddit were.
Do you just not like AI or do you have a reason to believe that there won't be significant progress?
Not OP but out current implementations of LLMs and similar models are just fundementally incapable of true reasoning, we can keep pumping money into them with diminishing returns but its never going to turn into AGI. Maybe not the best example but LLMs are like bronze, pretty good but no matter how much better you get at bronze working its just never going to allow for the things that could be done with more advanced metalurgy. Right now the big names are pouring money into bronze and no one is figuring out how to smelt iron.
By smelting bronze one learns about ores and sooner or later discovers iron ore.
The processes matter, the data, the teams.
Using imprecise terms like AI make it impossible to know. Do you mean than machine learning/neural networks can make robots adaptive enough to pick oranges and butcher chickens, or do you think LLMs are going to get “smart” enough to become AGI?
Both. Many resources are put into the former which inevitably will lead to somebody having an insight for the latter.