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Piracy Starter Pack (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 5 days ago

You're trying to argue without evidence (like I had provided). To summarize these exchange so far its:

You giving some marketing crap you read from a VPN provider site on their multi-hop service.
Someone pointing out that it is incorrect with evidence.
You get mad and basically come back with "Nuh-uh!"

Is there some evidence you'd like to provide or is it going to be another "nuh-uh!"?

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

You giving some marketing crap you read from a VPN provider site on their multi-hop service.

I'm sorry, but that isn't correct.

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 4 days ago

I'm sorry, but that isn't evidence.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I'm unsure what evidence you are referring to.

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 4 days ago

Threat models differ. More hops can, from direct personal experience, make the difference in tracking

Evidence, or it isn't true.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Evidence, or it isn't true.

Anyways, your own statement:

Adtech relies on the OpenRTB 2.5/2.6 spec for tracking, you would have removed 1 identifier out of a hundred (one that isn't really used anyway given SSAI is so popular).

Removing an identifier that is used. (1/100 = matters, "isn't really used" != unused). This contradicts your other statements:

Yeah, multi-hop is pointless for tracking.

...IP addresses and multi-hop don't matter...

Broad statements that don't take into consideration the threat model of other users. Servers you connect to might not be using source IP in any way to track. You might be leaking so many other identifiers, that its completely useless to worry about multi-hop. But this is not true for everyone in every situation.

If its worth anything to you, the Tor Project seems to think multi-hop and IP addresses matter for protecting against tracking.

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago

Unrelated, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So, I'm not allowed to ask you for proof of your statement? And if its unrelated, then why did you post it? Its unrelated. Also, you're saying you have an absence of evidence, ergo you have no evidence. Having no evidence does not qualify as evidence.

Removing an identifier that is used. (1/100 = matters, "isn't really used" != unused). This contradicts your other statements:

Just because an identifier exists doesn't mean it is used. BidRequest.imp[i].tagid exists, but advertisers don't use it. I think you are confusing having an option with something being mandatory.

And Tor nodes are not the same thing as VPN multi-hop. If you think that they are, wow! VPN multi-hop is you connecting to a provider's server that connects to another one of the provider's server then out. It's all the provider's network.

And again, if you connected your Firefox browser to Tor, we could still track you. You'd get cookied or localStorage() tracked. When you disconnect from Tor, that stuff is still present in your browser. Almost like the number of hops you take or the IP address used doesn't seem to really matter, huh?

EDIT: I just realized you think that Tor is built using multi-hop VPN. Its a real life Dunning-Kruger effect! I've never encountered this. You are going to do something really stupid and end up in prison.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

So, I'm not allowed to ask you for proof of your statement? And if its unrelated, then why did you post it? Its unrelated. Also, you're saying you have an absence of evidence, ergo you have no evidence. Having no evidence does not qualify as evidence

Asking for evidence wasn't the issue, believing that the truth relies solely upon a discussion providing such evidence is.

I think you are confusing having an option with something being mandatory.

You misunderstood. Some of your own statements say it matters and is used. Mandatory wasn't mentioned nor implied.

And Tor nodes are not the same thing as VPN multi-hop.

I just realized you think that Tor is built using multi-hop.

I didn't state they were the same. Tor uses "multiple hops" (you can find that string the the link I posted earlier). It is critical to the limiting of information seen by any single entity.

And again, if you connected your Firefox browser to Tor, we could still track you. You'd get cookied or localStorage() tracked. When you disconnect from Tor, that stuff is still present in your browser. Almost like the number of hops you take or the IP address used doesn't seem to really matter, huh?

All that state can be removed. And the server might not be tracking that. Situations vary, adversaries vary. If you cannot imagine a scenario in which hops or IP address would matter, I would suggest doing some research.

Its a real life Dunning-Kruger effect! I've never encountered this. You are going to do something really stupid and end up in prison.

Personal swipes mark the end of this discussion. I would suggest you to leave those out next time as It detracts focus from constructive learning.

This will be my last reply. You can also reply if you want (but I won't see it).

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 5 hours ago

Asking for evidence wasn't the issue, believing that the truth relies solely upon a discussion providing such evidence is.

Again, post your evidence or didn't happen. Literally everything after that meaningless without that. The discussion is over because you can't provide that as you are wrong. End.