It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
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An instance whose rules include "the rules are not up for debate" has no business hosting a community for critique of moderation. I would actually expand that to say that it's pretty silly to have that rule in the first place, regardless of what communities you're hosting, but it does seem to be a pretty popular viewpoint here for some reason. I'm legitimately surprised to hear it from an instance that's described as anarchist. The .ml instances are at least more open with their political alignments and then consistent with them in their moderation in practice.
Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds, I guess, lol
I understand why an instance staff wouldn't want to have posts questioning instance guidelines every week.
Interestingly enough, in the case of anti AI bans, that topic was discussed on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49185248?scrollToComments=true , and it seems like both the mod and the person iniating the request found a way
So no, it's not really "Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds"
Phillip hates that db0 isn't a carbon copy of his failed instance, therefore we're somehow not anarchists for not tolerating the intolerant.
We're just not going to see eye to eye on this stuff lol
Probably x)
Edit: just because you care about trans people
Literally this entire instance. Don't get me wrong there are worse places out there but its basically Lord of the Flies up in this place. I am very sure nobody in charge is over the age of 21.
I am actually not like you and I left this instance months ago because I wanted more moderation but it's clear these "anarchists" are ok with harassment and sexism as long as it is targeted towards who they perceive to be enemies. They have zero consistency in applying their "rules" and they hide behind "anarchism" to justify the same childish behavior they criticize other instances of doing.
Still no receipts, huh? Odd how you logged on for the first time in months to back up Phillip lying. Not suspicious at all.
Where's the receipts?
Goat called me paranoid about this person logging on for the first time in months to back up Phillip.
lol
Maybe after they come back on for the first time after 10 months they'll have them, because clearly they don't have them now.
Yeah. 100%. Well... there are plenty of 18-year-olds running around the world whose chronological age is a lot older. But yes. It actually mostly doesn't read to me as malicious from this instance, it just feels like people who have never experienced being in a collaborative circumstance where they have to get along with people who they don't see eye to eye with or have real friction with and they have to cope with it. Or they have never been in some kind of environment where one person is "in charge" but also has to earn respect of people. Like their whole concept is "I've got the mod buttons, you do not, so shut the fuck up, this is what's what" and they've never experienced the aftermath when you do that to people who have ability to push back in turn.
I mean at the end of the day it's just a stupid web site, but yes in my opinion being able to have these communication tools and have them function well is important. Maybe I'm the weird one. I do think it matters.
Also absolutely. 100%. Them laughing at SoftestSapphic when she's trying to give some pretty pointed feedback on treatment of trans issues, and then banning her for being "pissy" / "shitty" because of it, really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't like that at all. And then yes the hypocrisy of doing that while flopping around like a soccer player moaning about "abuse" because people gave downvotes to some of their precious content, is just extra icing on the bratty-adolescent cake.
I stand by my mod actions on SoftestSapphic. Folks can make their own assessment without having to suffer through your opinion.
"And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?"
-db0
(Emphasis mine)
(IDK why I'm continuing at this point, I'll probably stop after this in case you want the last word. Both sides of the argument have had plenty of airing, and yes I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves)
It all goes down to the drag issue in the end.
Either you think neopronouns are a right (Blahaj, dbzer0) and cannot be removed under any pretext.
Either you think neopronouns can be considered trolling under certain circumstances (LW apparently?)
By the way, you said in a previous comment (https://quokk.au/comment/661634)
Drag got banned when drag encouraged people to self harm. The neopronoun thing was a separate matter (see above)
Exactly this. Xenopronouns are just as valid as any other pronoun. PJ and Philip seem to be mostly ok with "traditional" (lol) trans pronouns like "xir/xe" or "they/them" so they think they are good trans allies. But they are only allies to certain types of "mainstream" trans folks. Because everything has to be mainstream before a Democrat will ever consider supporting it, in my experience. The moment the pronouns get "too weird" they all start freaking out. Xenopronouns? Forget about it! I've even seen it argued that xenopronouns are anti-trans (somehow)? Who knows, but it seems there's a bunch of LW folks who seem to be that its fine to hate on folks who use them.
"But I don't hate trans people, I just hate trans people who use the words I find gross" - transphobia.world
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT
Kidding.
On the substance, I'm just going to refer you to my previous answer, in which I pointed out that me reiterating how precisely I don't agree with what you just said will accomplish nothing at all (and, apparently, it did not.)
The only thing I will add is that the troll was not banned when they encouraged people to self harm. Ada actively refused to ban them for that, and then later, when they shared personal correspondence of Ada's without permission, that was a sin sufficient to justify a ban.
Citation: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23453948/13537569, search for "sharing of private messages".
I cannot believe you are continuing to succeed in getting me to argue about this topic.
I edited the pronoun.
Thanks for the citation.
Even if Ada made a mistake (not banning drag soon enough), the conclusion is still the same: the decision of dbzer0 to keep that stance (neopronouns aren't debatable) is theirs, and if you willingly start to attack that stance, you're going to get actioned upon.
On top of that SoftestSaphic seems to be incorrect
https://sopuli.xyz/post/30807847/17981886
Dude I am blocking you. Continuing to pretend that neopronouns are the issue, and a perfect shield for anything dbzer0 wants to do, when they never were and it was instead things like trolling the whole concept of transgenderism and encouraging other users to suicide that was the issue, when no one copping these bans was refusing to use anyone's pronoun neo- or otherwise at any point that I'm aware of, is just pissing me off, and I already addressed it not just once but several times, directly to you, and brought your awareness to the fact that you didn't seem to be picking up on it.
I'm taking your advice. Talk to someone else. Honestly, it's rare that I get actually irritated when talking to someone on the internet, so congratulations. Go back and reread my earlier messages, if you start to feel that you need to hear any more of my opinion on this.
me too, please
Did you do something? The name is familiar but I don't remember specifics... whatever, I guess get in a long pointless argument with me and I'm sure it'll come to me.
I just want to be blocked
I was wondering the same thing tbh. Ciao.
And you making that comment using that tone is contributing to the flamewar
But why would Phillip be flaming when he lies about us?